TriChrome
03-06-2018, 11:16 PM
From: BOB FORD [BOB_FORD@compuserve.com]
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 8:10 AM
To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com
Subject: 57-56-55 CHEVY LIST
THIS IS THE 57-56-55 CHEVY LIST
TO POST SOMETHING ON THIS LIST PLEASE E-MAIL YOUR POST TO
BOB_FORD@COMPUSERVE.COM
THERE IS NO COST TO BECOME A LIST MEMBER AND ONLY LIST MEMBERS ARE
ALLOWED TO POST SOMETHING ON THE LIST. IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE THAT
HAS E-MAIL AND WOULD BENEFIT FROM BEING A LIST MEMBER, ASK THEM TO
JOIN. THE MORE LIST MEMBERS WE HAVE, THE MORE INFORMATION LIST
MEMBERS CAN SHARE WITH EACH OTHER.
THIS 57-56-55 CHEVY LIST IS NOT SENT OUT ON ANY SET SCHEDULE SO IF YOU
WANT TO POST SOMETHING THAT CONTAINS A DATE, PLEASE SEND IT IN EARLY
SO I CAN GET IT OUT TO THE LIST MEMBERS BEFORE THE DATE OF THE EVENT.
I ENCOURAGE ALL LIST MEMBERS TO INCLUDE THEIR CITY AND STATE WITH
THEIR POSTS. IF YOU ARE POSTING SOMETHING FOR SALE PLEASE ALSO
INCLUDE YOUR PHONE NUMBER AND THE PRICE. IT IS HELPFUL TO ALSO
INCLUDE WHEN YOU WILL BE AT YOUR PHONE NUMBER AND YOUR TIME ZONE.
TAKE AS MUCH SPACE AS YOU WANT AND FULLY DESCRIBE WHAT YOU HAVE
FOR SALE.
YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THIS LIST ARE WELCOME.
IF YOU WANT TO SEND ME E-MAIL THAT YOU DO NOT WANT ON THE LIST
PLEASE PUT "PRIVATE NOT FOR THE LIST' AS THE SUBJECT.
THANKS
BOB FORD
EDITOR
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From: Editor
Can some one explain the painting process where the car change colors as
you view it from different angles.
Is is a costly process?
BOB
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:BowtieTed@aol.com, INTERNET:BowtieTed@aol.com
Bob, a former Ventura County Chevys member is trying to sell his classic.
Details are:
'57 Chevy Bel Air 2 Dr Hard Top
India Ivory over surf green
All California car, rust free
Unrestored, 99% original
Car was appraised 1 yr ago @ $20,000
'283 V8/Powerglide trans
Odomoter now reads 106,100 miles
Engine/trans was rebuilt at 85,000 miles
Many more details and hilights available from the owner
Asking price $19,500
Contact John Gibson, 805 492 0782.
Thousand Oaks, California
Thanks
Ted Hetherington
Ventura County Chevys
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To: BOB FORD, BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:lsfork@bloomnet.com, INTERNET:lsfork@bloomnet.com
Dear Mr. Bob Ford, A Little punn here ,, If you are gonna have a great
55 56 57 chevy list , you got`s to have some one named FORD to do it!!!
Well I have joined the ranks of owning now three 57 chevys !!
yesserie I now have one 210 , 2 dr sedan for some parts , one 57 210 2
dr ht , and one 57 2 dr ht Belair .....Thats in addition to my all ready
collected 49 chevy pickup extreme modified , 1958 Edsel Ranger 2 dr ht ,
1958 cadillac coupe deville ( SHOW CAR ) , 1959 cadillac 62 series
convertible ( SHOW CAR ) // ( MORE LIKE A PIECE OF FINE ART ) , 1965
Pontiac ( Tri-power 4 speed transmision and factory air ) 2 dt ht , and
last but not least 1973 Cadillac Eldorado convertible , Still under
40,000 miles, At least we drive the Eldorado !!! Kinda our fun car used
in summer only . Bob if you want to list this thats ok . You can visit
my website
http://sites.netscape.net/erniesouthfork/classicautocollectorlocater
Thanks for the great list of 55 56 57 chevys
Sincerely Ernie
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:WSSmolick@aol.com, INTERNET:WSSmolick@aol.com
I have a pair of 4 door sedan rear doors here that I would like to get rid
of. They have lower skin/inner door rot, but they are complete except for
the stainless trim. They even have the accessory vent shades in good
shape.
Maybe you can fix these doors up to use or use them for their parts? I
would
like to get $15 each for them. Don't know if I can ship them, but I am
located near Reading PA if you would like to come pick them up.
Wyatt Smolick
WSSmolick@aol.com
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To: BOB FORD, BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:fity7nomad@sprintmail.com,
INTERNET:fity7nomad@sprintmail.com
Hi Bob and List members,
Well I have finally removed the engine from the Nomad. While in the
process of doing so, I took the time to take down some part numbers. I
hope some list
members can verify or identify these items.
First..... The 4 speed manual trans had these numbers in various
locations on the housing: MLT 2431, 6.14.82, 13 04 065 903, FPC3 and on
the rear
portion of the trans. 13.04.066.905. Some have told me this is a Muncie,
while
others believe it is a T 10. Can anyone tell me for certain which it is?
Also, do any of
these numbers indicate the gearing?
Second.... The heads have the following numbers: 3782461, J 19
5, GM5, those numbers appear in the valve train area. These numbers are
on the
combustion chamber side in various locations: 461, B6 or 8, 461. These
are double hump
heads. My book says they should have 2.02/1.60 valves, but without a
caliper, I cannot
verify this. My friend thinks they a 1.94/1.50. The information I have,
does not
indicate this head had anything but 2.02/1.60 valves and 64cc chambers.
Can someone shed some
light on this?
Third.... The numbers on the block are TT 020HCR. I have been
informed earlier, by list members, that this is a 327 from a '66 Belair.
>From what I
understand, this would mean a small journal crank. Is this correct?
Bob, your list is great. I look forward to each posting. I find it
both very informative, and entertaining. You are providing a super service
to perpetuate the
hobby.
Rich, Baltimore, MD
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To: "BOB FORD", BOB_FORD
From: "Rick Beavington", INTERNET:rick.b@home.com
Well in response to the Gallery idea..
I have no problem making a Gallery of all the owners cars
and attach it to Bobs website..I have some more space on a
new server so that is not as big a concern as before..
Any one want their car on the net? (No cost involved)
Rick Beavington
57 Ragtop
Kelowna BC Canada
rick.b@home.com
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: Don & Sheila Janda, INTERNET:dnsjanda@webtv.net
Hawkeye Area Classic Chevy Club is pleased to announce its 19th Annual
All Chevy Show which will be held this year on Sunday June 4th, 2000, in
Cedar Rapids, Iowa. All Chevys and Chevy powered vehicles (trucks,
Corvettes, race cars, etc.) are welcome. Its Iowa's largest Chevy Show.
20 Classes with three trophies per class. 10 Special awards too (ie.
Kid's choice, Ladies Choice, Best Engine, Best Interior, etc, etc.).
Live 'remote' broadcast by a local DJ, great food, large kids area, in a
relaxed park atmosphere. Cash prizes for 'Club Participation' ($75.00 &
$25.00). FREE tee shirt if registered before May 15th. Registration is
only $12.00. For car show registration please email me or phone Mike at
1-319-362-9488. Thanks
Don Janda, Hawkeye Area Classic Chevy Club
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To: "BOB FORD", BOB_FORD
From: "David Hecker", INTERNET:dhecker@presenter.com
Regarding Bob McNulty's question about what is a sedan.
The simple definition is that sedan's have posts behind the front door
window, while hardtops don't. However, there is the Sports Sedan, and the
Sports Coupe which are Chevy's names for hardtops. The Sports Coupe is a
two door without a post, or door window frame. The Sports Sedan is a four
door without a post or door window frames. A couple basic visual
differences between Hardtops (Sports Coupe's, Sports Sedan's), and Sedans
(2 and 4 door cars with posts) follow. The door of a hardtop is similar to
that of a convertible in the sense that when the window is rolled down,
there is no visible window frame or other obstructions. The roof line of a
hardtop is a little lower than that of a sedan. If your look above the
door at the roof from the side the roof of a sedan will arch up more and
hence from the side you will see more paint and height of the roof. The
lower roof line of the hardtop styling appears more similar to a
convertible with the top up than does the sedan or post as it is frequently
referred to. I believe the hardtop and convertible share the same
windshield, while the sedan's windshield is a little taller.
Thanks,
Dave
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: Jerry H Magayne, INTERNET:clockworks@juno.com
Hi Bob:
In response to Bob NcNulty's question regarding the term "Hardtop" as
opposed to "Sedan", the term Hardtop was first used in the summer of 1948
when GM announced it's plan to mount a pillarless steel top on a
convertible body. The resulting Buick was named the "Riviera" and became
the forerunner of a new generation of cars which came to be known as
"hardtop convertibles" because of their engineering parentage, or
"hardtops" for short. "Sedan" refers to the conventional steel top car
which still utilized the roof pillar between the side windows. Both
hardtops and sedans were often available in both 2 door and 4 door
configurations.
Incidentally, the use of the term "hardtop convertible" prompted Ford to
introduce the retractable hardtop "Skyliner" in 1957, a true hardtop
convertible!
Jerry H. Magayne
The clock guy
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To: "'BOB FORD'", BOB_FORD
From: Terry Jett, INTERNET:TJett@AASIAircraft.com
response to how many 1956 9 passenger wagon's are on the road
I have a 90% restored 1956 California Belair Beauville 9 passenger
wagon(56-1062DFC)and was told about 6 months back, through Hemmings Motor
News, there are only 89 registered nationwide. I have no knowledge of the
56
210 9 passenger wagon.
terry jett - long beach,ca.
Editor's note. Terry, is AASIAircraft the one on Lakewood Blvd. I pass on
the way to the
Long Beach Swap meet?
BOB
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To: BOB FORD, BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:fity7nomad@sprintmail.com,
INTERNET:fity7nomad@sprintmail.com
Bob,
Two personal comments.
1. I agree that our cars are as much a part of our history and
younger years. So if list
members wish to reminis by asking some trivia questions or other related
good times
of the era in which our cars where new.....have at it. I enjoy that
part of the list as much
as the tech. data etc. As indicated by the survey taken on the list,
many of us where in
our teens when these cars were "Cool Man". As pointed out by another
list member, if
something on the list does not interest you, scroll down until you find
something that does.
2. Justin......OhoooooNoooooo! Magazines on the internet instead of in
the mail? Please
say it isn't so. There are some down sides to that idea to think about:
A) I can't read my favorite mags. while on the John.
B) How do you save all the back issues with pictures and articles
you like to thumb
through now and then? (Without using up a lot of memory
space.)
C) In a stack of old mags. it's easy to grab a particular issue you
would like to review
D) I would miss the feel and smell of the glossy pages and great
pictures.
E) How would you make notes on the pages?
F) If out in the garage with an old friend discussing something in
a particular issue, you can't just pick up the mag. and show and tell.
You would have
to go to your computer and print it out.
I am sure other list members could come up with a few more reasons
to find it very inconvenient to read their favorite mags on a computer
screen. Maybe I
am just old fashioned (or just plain old), but some things should be left
alone!
Rich, Baltimore, MD
Editor's note. Rich, you have made some very good points. However, here
is a test you can apply to see if the new way of distributing magazines
will take place. "Is is cheaper to distribute a magazine by the Internet
or by mail?" When you answer that question, you wil know what will happen.
BOB
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To: [unknown], Bob_Ford
From: "Thomas Pizzi", INTERNET:rokbiter@hotmail.com
Hi!Bob
This Forum is the "Best", thanks for keeping it going and growing.
Some updates on the '56 2 door Belair I purchased in Nov.'99. I decided to
install the March Performance Serpentine belt system on my sbc. The double
hump heads on the engine didn't have accessory holes to mount the brackets.
I decided to purchase new heads. Some of my local "Finger Lakes Classic
Chevy Club" members removed the engine to transfer the heads. I sent the
complete short block out to be freshened up. To my surprise the block was
already 60 over and cyl. walls tapered, the crank was under turned to the
max also. A friend and a club member donated a good crank and 350 block.
Finally the engine is being reassembled and soon to be reinstalled. The
Tri-5 Vintage Air unit I purchased is a little disappointing. Advertized as
a no mod drop in kit,it leaves a little to be desired. Vaguely written and
pictured instructions keep you guessing and some modifying needed to be
done. The "Painless Wiring" Tri-5 18 circuit wire harness is a nice piece
of
work. I wish these companies would give you alternate instructions, when
your integrating other systems that tie in. Well Spring is almost here in
Rochester,NY. With help from club members I hope to have this car on the
road sometime in April. My vanity plates read "DREAM 56" even with some of
the updating nightmares it's still a dream come true for me at age 50.
Thanks Again for this forum of Tri-5 lovers and friends.
Tom
rokbiter@hotmail.com
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To: BOB FORD, BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:roy.r.nagel@gm.com, INTERNET:roy.r.nagel@gm.com
In reply to the gentlemen who asked "possibly a dumb" question re
terminology:
This is not a dumb question at all - and younger enthusiasts can be easily
confused. Here goes -
The term "Hardtop" is really a shortened form of the original term, which
was
"Hardtop Convertible". The term was originally coined around the late
1940's to
denote a body style which appeared to be a convertible - only with a fixed
steel
roof instead of the folding canvas top. The '49 Cadillac Coupe DeVille, '49
Buick Riviera, '49 Olds 98 Holiday, and the '51 Ford Victoria (all 2-doors)
are
early examples. As our editor has already (correctly) pointed out, all
these
styles have no 'B' pillar aft of the front door - and also lack fixed door
upper
window frames. Use of the abbreviated term "Hardtop" continued - and the
first
four-door "Hardtops" were introduced with the "B" series Fisher Body on the
1955
Olds and Buick. Chevrolet, Pontiac, Cadillac, Ford, Mercury, Rambler, and
all
Chrysler products followed with four-door "Hardtops" for 1956. Station
wagon
"Hardtops" (both two and four door) were also offered by several makers in
the
late '50's and early '60's. Again, the key to the "Hardtop" designation is
the
lack of the full "B" pillar up to the roof.
There were some body styles built in subsequent years which certainly
managed to
muddy the waters. For example, both GM and Ford built cars with full "B"
pillars
- but with frameless "Hardtop" style doors - in the 1970's. These were not
true
"Hardtops", but the use of the "Hardtop" style doors certainly caused
confusion!
Sedans, both two and four door, have a full "B" pillar up through to the
roof.
Further, a true two-door sedan normally uses the same floor pan and roof
panel
stampings as a four-door sedan. The longitudinal spacing of the front seat
to
rear seat is the same. A "Sport Coupe" will have a shorter roof than a two
door
sedan - and the longitudinal spacing of the front and rear seat will be
shorter
than a two-door sedan. The last year Chevy built a Sport Coupe on the
full-size
cars was 1953. Compare catalog illustrations of the 1953 210 series Sport
Coupe
with those of the Two-Door Sedan and you will quickly see the difference.
Please note that the marketing organizations sometimes altered a name to
create
a sportier image for a given modeI - and took a few liberties with
terminology
in use by the Body Engineering Departments. Thus, one sometimes sees what
is, in
actuality, a two-door sedan body with a bit of extra trim dressed-up and
marketed as a "Sport Coupe" or some similar-sounding name. If you think
this is
somewhat confusing, then try investigating all the liberties taken with the
terms Convertible, Phaeton, Roadster, Touring Car, etc. over the years!
I hope some of the foregoing helps to at least partially clear up some
of the
confusion.
Roy N.
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:gerald111@webtv.net, INTERNET:gerald111@webtv.net
Have a lot of parts cars, sold my property and must move them have 1
70kmile engine trans in 57 every part still there from breather to
pan.also 57 wagon (solid rebuilder ) many more Recent bad health forces
sale
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To: BOB FORD, BOB_FORD
From: Fremont Oliver, INTERNET:orcabait@webtv.net
Bob could you or possibly other knowledgeable readers attempt to
establish approx value of my chevy pic on web page below. Was purchased
by my parents new. 56 belair with power pack and powerglide 127000 mi
feel free to ask questions to help evaulate. Address above. it would be
interesting .....Monte
http://community.webtv.net/orcabait/MonteandSandys
Editor's note. The current issue of Old Cars Price Guide list the following
prices for a
1956 Bel Air 2dr Sedan.
Condition
6 $450
5 $1450
4 $2400
3 $4800
2 $8400
1 $12,000
Add 10 percent for air and 15 percent for power pack
BOB
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:Mjzuccaro@aol.com, INTERNET:Mjzuccaro@aol.com
Bob/Gang:
Can anyone recommend a good radiator for my '57 with 283? I replaced the
original when I first got the car 10 years ago. Got a 3 pass "desert
cooler"
style from American Radiator Co. (I think) in Los Angeles.
What a piece of junk! In the last few years it's been springing leaks from
both tanks. I've had it fixed a few times and it's still leaking! The
original
lasted over 30 years, the replacement only lasted about 5 till it started
leaking. Very unhappy with it.
Any recommendations? Wouldn't mind finding one with a lifetime warranty,
like
I got for my Datsun pickup. That one also lasted a few years,but the free
replacement has been leak free for at least 5 years. Bought it thru Kragen
but they dont stock anything for the '57.
Thanks,
Mike Zuccaro
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To: BOB FORD, BOB_FORD
From: Bob Rice, INTERNET:bobrice@redshift.com
>Editor's note. I think the term hardtop refers to a car without a post
behind the front window. List members is that correct?<
That's correct. It all goes back to the very early 50's when some cars
started coming out without solid pillars between the front and rear side
windows. They were referred to as hardtop convertibles because they
kinda had the look of a convertible, especially when all the windows
were rolled down. After awhile people dropped the "convertible" and just
called them hardtops. Silly but true. Hardtops usually had the
top-of-the-line trim and accessory options and were considered more
stylish than sedans, thus they commanded a premium price, then and now.
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:Marty28447@aol.com, INTERNET:Marty28447@aol.com
Bob,
To advertise a classic car for sale for free go to web site:
http://www.justchevys.com/newpage4.htm
Kim
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:Don9802@aol.com, INTERNET:Don9802@aol.com
Hi Bob.
I wanted to find out if any of the list members could give me
some helpful hints as to what to look for when buying a fixer-upper. I'm
going to look at a '57 2 dr hardtop that is complete except for the
transmission, two of the chrome hash marks by the headlights and the
cigarette
lighter. I'm told that it has the usual rust in the floor pan,spare tire
area and behind the front wheels. Any ideas as what to keep an eye out for
would be appreciated. Thanks to all and keep up the good work Bob.
Don
don9802@aol.com
Editor's note. I think that when you buy a car you need to look for things
that are expensive to repair.
Rust damage can be very expensive to repair depending on what is rusted.
Mechanical repairs are fairly easy and inexpensive. Contact your local car
club and ask for help. You will find some very knowledgeable people that
can help you inspect the car. They will save you a lot of money. Then
give a donation to the club for their help. I invite other list members
to submit their opinion on this subject.
BOB
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To: BOB FORD, BOB_FORD
From: Sanford "Sandy" Pierce, INTERNET:mr55chev@webtv.net
The term "hardtop" is a short form of "hardtop convertible". In 1949,
Cad & Buick brought out cars that "looked" like converts but with a
steel top - no post between the doors and rear quarter windows. I will
get arguments about 39-40 Mercs and 46-48 Chrysler cars being first -
whatever. They called them hardtop convertibles and the phrase was
shortened to hardtops. The definition Bob
used about the post is the most accurate - if it has a post between the
front doors and rear doors/quarter windows, it is a sedan, if not, it is
a hardtop. So, is a Nomad a sedan? No. but here it is the styling of
the doors with no permanent frame around the glass - like a convert or
hardtop.....
On the 8th day HE created the 55 Chevrolet
(and GMC Suburban Pickups)
http://community.webtv.net/mr55chev/555657CHEV
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:WDJ1957@aol.com, INTERNET:WDJ1957@aol.com
Hi Bob, greetings from the northeast where spring has sprung, and boy let
me
tell you it feels great to have the sun on the face again. I have a
question.
I am looking to purchase a new cover for my 57 Nomad. I was a member of CCW
years ago, they where the ones I purchased the first one from. Time for a
new
one. But I want the custom fit cover. can anyone steer me the right way.
Thanks, Dennis
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To: BOB FORD, BOB_FORD
From: Donna, INTERNET:Fiftiesforever@webtv.net
To List Members;
Does anyone have any leads on a good pair of 55 chevy fenders? Ones that
haven't been capped. I have been looking on e-bay and inquiring in our
area, but with no success.
Also, here is another question: I know there were a little over 3
million of our 55-57 chevies made. Any information as to how many of
them are still around? Even 10% would make that number 300,000 cars!
Thats alotta classics! Donna.
Fifties Forever
206 Division Ave.
Garfield, NJ 07026
973-
478-1306
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:Tjjpgarrett@aol.com, INTERNET:Tjjpgarrett@aol.com
You are correct about the sedan vs. hardtop question. The sedans are also
called the "post" cars.
In regard to this question, I am glad to see some folks asking the "newbie"
questions. When I got my 57 several years ago, I had a hard time finding
out
the simplest information, like the difference between the sedan and
hardtop.
I firmly believe the national clubs should begin at least a column for the
newcomer to the hobby. Some of us need to learn the difference between
dwell
and timing before we go on to 700R4s, Corvette rear ends, shoe-horning in a
454 cu. in. engine or balancing the engine. Don;t get me wrong. All those
things are great for those who have been in the hobby for a while. But the
basics help bring new guys in that will keep these babies running in the
next
generation.
Tom Garrett in Wetumpka, AL.
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BOB FORD
18091 MARK CIRCLE
VILLA PARK, CALIFORNIA 92861-2648
BOB_FORD@COMPUSERVE.COM
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/BOB_FORD/
http://members.home.net:80/rick.b/Bobford.htm
VOICE 714-637-8877
FAX 714-637-2955
Editor of the 57-56-55 CHEVY LIST and TURBOGLIDE REGISTRY
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 8:10 AM
To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com
Subject: 57-56-55 CHEVY LIST
THIS IS THE 57-56-55 CHEVY LIST
TO POST SOMETHING ON THIS LIST PLEASE E-MAIL YOUR POST TO
BOB_FORD@COMPUSERVE.COM
THERE IS NO COST TO BECOME A LIST MEMBER AND ONLY LIST MEMBERS ARE
ALLOWED TO POST SOMETHING ON THE LIST. IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE THAT
HAS E-MAIL AND WOULD BENEFIT FROM BEING A LIST MEMBER, ASK THEM TO
JOIN. THE MORE LIST MEMBERS WE HAVE, THE MORE INFORMATION LIST
MEMBERS CAN SHARE WITH EACH OTHER.
THIS 57-56-55 CHEVY LIST IS NOT SENT OUT ON ANY SET SCHEDULE SO IF YOU
WANT TO POST SOMETHING THAT CONTAINS A DATE, PLEASE SEND IT IN EARLY
SO I CAN GET IT OUT TO THE LIST MEMBERS BEFORE THE DATE OF THE EVENT.
I ENCOURAGE ALL LIST MEMBERS TO INCLUDE THEIR CITY AND STATE WITH
THEIR POSTS. IF YOU ARE POSTING SOMETHING FOR SALE PLEASE ALSO
INCLUDE YOUR PHONE NUMBER AND THE PRICE. IT IS HELPFUL TO ALSO
INCLUDE WHEN YOU WILL BE AT YOUR PHONE NUMBER AND YOUR TIME ZONE.
TAKE AS MUCH SPACE AS YOU WANT AND FULLY DESCRIBE WHAT YOU HAVE
FOR SALE.
YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THIS LIST ARE WELCOME.
IF YOU WANT TO SEND ME E-MAIL THAT YOU DO NOT WANT ON THE LIST
PLEASE PUT "PRIVATE NOT FOR THE LIST' AS THE SUBJECT.
THANKS
BOB FORD
EDITOR
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From: Editor
Can some one explain the painting process where the car change colors as
you view it from different angles.
Is is a costly process?
BOB
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:BowtieTed@aol.com, INTERNET:BowtieTed@aol.com
Bob, a former Ventura County Chevys member is trying to sell his classic.
Details are:
'57 Chevy Bel Air 2 Dr Hard Top
India Ivory over surf green
All California car, rust free
Unrestored, 99% original
Car was appraised 1 yr ago @ $20,000
'283 V8/Powerglide trans
Odomoter now reads 106,100 miles
Engine/trans was rebuilt at 85,000 miles
Many more details and hilights available from the owner
Asking price $19,500
Contact John Gibson, 805 492 0782.
Thousand Oaks, California
Thanks
Ted Hetherington
Ventura County Chevys
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To: BOB FORD, BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:lsfork@bloomnet.com, INTERNET:lsfork@bloomnet.com
Dear Mr. Bob Ford, A Little punn here ,, If you are gonna have a great
55 56 57 chevy list , you got`s to have some one named FORD to do it!!!
Well I have joined the ranks of owning now three 57 chevys !!
yesserie I now have one 210 , 2 dr sedan for some parts , one 57 210 2
dr ht , and one 57 2 dr ht Belair .....Thats in addition to my all ready
collected 49 chevy pickup extreme modified , 1958 Edsel Ranger 2 dr ht ,
1958 cadillac coupe deville ( SHOW CAR ) , 1959 cadillac 62 series
convertible ( SHOW CAR ) // ( MORE LIKE A PIECE OF FINE ART ) , 1965
Pontiac ( Tri-power 4 speed transmision and factory air ) 2 dt ht , and
last but not least 1973 Cadillac Eldorado convertible , Still under
40,000 miles, At least we drive the Eldorado !!! Kinda our fun car used
in summer only . Bob if you want to list this thats ok . You can visit
my website
http://sites.netscape.net/erniesouthfork/classicautocollectorlocater
Thanks for the great list of 55 56 57 chevys
Sincerely Ernie
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:WSSmolick@aol.com, INTERNET:WSSmolick@aol.com
I have a pair of 4 door sedan rear doors here that I would like to get rid
of. They have lower skin/inner door rot, but they are complete except for
the stainless trim. They even have the accessory vent shades in good
shape.
Maybe you can fix these doors up to use or use them for their parts? I
would
like to get $15 each for them. Don't know if I can ship them, but I am
located near Reading PA if you would like to come pick them up.
Wyatt Smolick
WSSmolick@aol.com
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To: BOB FORD, BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:fity7nomad@sprintmail.com,
INTERNET:fity7nomad@sprintmail.com
Hi Bob and List members,
Well I have finally removed the engine from the Nomad. While in the
process of doing so, I took the time to take down some part numbers. I
hope some list
members can verify or identify these items.
First..... The 4 speed manual trans had these numbers in various
locations on the housing: MLT 2431, 6.14.82, 13 04 065 903, FPC3 and on
the rear
portion of the trans. 13.04.066.905. Some have told me this is a Muncie,
while
others believe it is a T 10. Can anyone tell me for certain which it is?
Also, do any of
these numbers indicate the gearing?
Second.... The heads have the following numbers: 3782461, J 19
5, GM5, those numbers appear in the valve train area. These numbers are
on the
combustion chamber side in various locations: 461, B6 or 8, 461. These
are double hump
heads. My book says they should have 2.02/1.60 valves, but without a
caliper, I cannot
verify this. My friend thinks they a 1.94/1.50. The information I have,
does not
indicate this head had anything but 2.02/1.60 valves and 64cc chambers.
Can someone shed some
light on this?
Third.... The numbers on the block are TT 020HCR. I have been
informed earlier, by list members, that this is a 327 from a '66 Belair.
>From what I
understand, this would mean a small journal crank. Is this correct?
Bob, your list is great. I look forward to each posting. I find it
both very informative, and entertaining. You are providing a super service
to perpetuate the
hobby.
Rich, Baltimore, MD
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To: "BOB FORD", BOB_FORD
From: "Rick Beavington", INTERNET:rick.b@home.com
Well in response to the Gallery idea..
I have no problem making a Gallery of all the owners cars
and attach it to Bobs website..I have some more space on a
new server so that is not as big a concern as before..
Any one want their car on the net? (No cost involved)
Rick Beavington
57 Ragtop
Kelowna BC Canada
rick.b@home.com
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: Don & Sheila Janda, INTERNET:dnsjanda@webtv.net
Hawkeye Area Classic Chevy Club is pleased to announce its 19th Annual
All Chevy Show which will be held this year on Sunday June 4th, 2000, in
Cedar Rapids, Iowa. All Chevys and Chevy powered vehicles (trucks,
Corvettes, race cars, etc.) are welcome. Its Iowa's largest Chevy Show.
20 Classes with three trophies per class. 10 Special awards too (ie.
Kid's choice, Ladies Choice, Best Engine, Best Interior, etc, etc.).
Live 'remote' broadcast by a local DJ, great food, large kids area, in a
relaxed park atmosphere. Cash prizes for 'Club Participation' ($75.00 &
$25.00). FREE tee shirt if registered before May 15th. Registration is
only $12.00. For car show registration please email me or phone Mike at
1-319-362-9488. Thanks
Don Janda, Hawkeye Area Classic Chevy Club
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To: "BOB FORD", BOB_FORD
From: "David Hecker", INTERNET:dhecker@presenter.com
Regarding Bob McNulty's question about what is a sedan.
The simple definition is that sedan's have posts behind the front door
window, while hardtops don't. However, there is the Sports Sedan, and the
Sports Coupe which are Chevy's names for hardtops. The Sports Coupe is a
two door without a post, or door window frame. The Sports Sedan is a four
door without a post or door window frames. A couple basic visual
differences between Hardtops (Sports Coupe's, Sports Sedan's), and Sedans
(2 and 4 door cars with posts) follow. The door of a hardtop is similar to
that of a convertible in the sense that when the window is rolled down,
there is no visible window frame or other obstructions. The roof line of a
hardtop is a little lower than that of a sedan. If your look above the
door at the roof from the side the roof of a sedan will arch up more and
hence from the side you will see more paint and height of the roof. The
lower roof line of the hardtop styling appears more similar to a
convertible with the top up than does the sedan or post as it is frequently
referred to. I believe the hardtop and convertible share the same
windshield, while the sedan's windshield is a little taller.
Thanks,
Dave
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: Jerry H Magayne, INTERNET:clockworks@juno.com
Hi Bob:
In response to Bob NcNulty's question regarding the term "Hardtop" as
opposed to "Sedan", the term Hardtop was first used in the summer of 1948
when GM announced it's plan to mount a pillarless steel top on a
convertible body. The resulting Buick was named the "Riviera" and became
the forerunner of a new generation of cars which came to be known as
"hardtop convertibles" because of their engineering parentage, or
"hardtops" for short. "Sedan" refers to the conventional steel top car
which still utilized the roof pillar between the side windows. Both
hardtops and sedans were often available in both 2 door and 4 door
configurations.
Incidentally, the use of the term "hardtop convertible" prompted Ford to
introduce the retractable hardtop "Skyliner" in 1957, a true hardtop
convertible!
Jerry H. Magayne
The clock guy
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To: "'BOB FORD'", BOB_FORD
From: Terry Jett, INTERNET:TJett@AASIAircraft.com
response to how many 1956 9 passenger wagon's are on the road
I have a 90% restored 1956 California Belair Beauville 9 passenger
wagon(56-1062DFC)and was told about 6 months back, through Hemmings Motor
News, there are only 89 registered nationwide. I have no knowledge of the
56
210 9 passenger wagon.
terry jett - long beach,ca.
Editor's note. Terry, is AASIAircraft the one on Lakewood Blvd. I pass on
the way to the
Long Beach Swap meet?
BOB
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To: BOB FORD, BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:fity7nomad@sprintmail.com,
INTERNET:fity7nomad@sprintmail.com
Bob,
Two personal comments.
1. I agree that our cars are as much a part of our history and
younger years. So if list
members wish to reminis by asking some trivia questions or other related
good times
of the era in which our cars where new.....have at it. I enjoy that
part of the list as much
as the tech. data etc. As indicated by the survey taken on the list,
many of us where in
our teens when these cars were "Cool Man". As pointed out by another
list member, if
something on the list does not interest you, scroll down until you find
something that does.
2. Justin......OhoooooNoooooo! Magazines on the internet instead of in
the mail? Please
say it isn't so. There are some down sides to that idea to think about:
A) I can't read my favorite mags. while on the John.
B) How do you save all the back issues with pictures and articles
you like to thumb
through now and then? (Without using up a lot of memory
space.)
C) In a stack of old mags. it's easy to grab a particular issue you
would like to review
D) I would miss the feel and smell of the glossy pages and great
pictures.
E) How would you make notes on the pages?
F) If out in the garage with an old friend discussing something in
a particular issue, you can't just pick up the mag. and show and tell.
You would have
to go to your computer and print it out.
I am sure other list members could come up with a few more reasons
to find it very inconvenient to read their favorite mags on a computer
screen. Maybe I
am just old fashioned (or just plain old), but some things should be left
alone!
Rich, Baltimore, MD
Editor's note. Rich, you have made some very good points. However, here
is a test you can apply to see if the new way of distributing magazines
will take place. "Is is cheaper to distribute a magazine by the Internet
or by mail?" When you answer that question, you wil know what will happen.
BOB
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To: [unknown], Bob_Ford
From: "Thomas Pizzi", INTERNET:rokbiter@hotmail.com
Hi!Bob
This Forum is the "Best", thanks for keeping it going and growing.
Some updates on the '56 2 door Belair I purchased in Nov.'99. I decided to
install the March Performance Serpentine belt system on my sbc. The double
hump heads on the engine didn't have accessory holes to mount the brackets.
I decided to purchase new heads. Some of my local "Finger Lakes Classic
Chevy Club" members removed the engine to transfer the heads. I sent the
complete short block out to be freshened up. To my surprise the block was
already 60 over and cyl. walls tapered, the crank was under turned to the
max also. A friend and a club member donated a good crank and 350 block.
Finally the engine is being reassembled and soon to be reinstalled. The
Tri-5 Vintage Air unit I purchased is a little disappointing. Advertized as
a no mod drop in kit,it leaves a little to be desired. Vaguely written and
pictured instructions keep you guessing and some modifying needed to be
done. The "Painless Wiring" Tri-5 18 circuit wire harness is a nice piece
of
work. I wish these companies would give you alternate instructions, when
your integrating other systems that tie in. Well Spring is almost here in
Rochester,NY. With help from club members I hope to have this car on the
road sometime in April. My vanity plates read "DREAM 56" even with some of
the updating nightmares it's still a dream come true for me at age 50.
Thanks Again for this forum of Tri-5 lovers and friends.
Tom
rokbiter@hotmail.com
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To: BOB FORD, BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:roy.r.nagel@gm.com, INTERNET:roy.r.nagel@gm.com
In reply to the gentlemen who asked "possibly a dumb" question re
terminology:
This is not a dumb question at all - and younger enthusiasts can be easily
confused. Here goes -
The term "Hardtop" is really a shortened form of the original term, which
was
"Hardtop Convertible". The term was originally coined around the late
1940's to
denote a body style which appeared to be a convertible - only with a fixed
steel
roof instead of the folding canvas top. The '49 Cadillac Coupe DeVille, '49
Buick Riviera, '49 Olds 98 Holiday, and the '51 Ford Victoria (all 2-doors)
are
early examples. As our editor has already (correctly) pointed out, all
these
styles have no 'B' pillar aft of the front door - and also lack fixed door
upper
window frames. Use of the abbreviated term "Hardtop" continued - and the
first
four-door "Hardtops" were introduced with the "B" series Fisher Body on the
1955
Olds and Buick. Chevrolet, Pontiac, Cadillac, Ford, Mercury, Rambler, and
all
Chrysler products followed with four-door "Hardtops" for 1956. Station
wagon
"Hardtops" (both two and four door) were also offered by several makers in
the
late '50's and early '60's. Again, the key to the "Hardtop" designation is
the
lack of the full "B" pillar up to the roof.
There were some body styles built in subsequent years which certainly
managed to
muddy the waters. For example, both GM and Ford built cars with full "B"
pillars
- but with frameless "Hardtop" style doors - in the 1970's. These were not
true
"Hardtops", but the use of the "Hardtop" style doors certainly caused
confusion!
Sedans, both two and four door, have a full "B" pillar up through to the
roof.
Further, a true two-door sedan normally uses the same floor pan and roof
panel
stampings as a four-door sedan. The longitudinal spacing of the front seat
to
rear seat is the same. A "Sport Coupe" will have a shorter roof than a two
door
sedan - and the longitudinal spacing of the front and rear seat will be
shorter
than a two-door sedan. The last year Chevy built a Sport Coupe on the
full-size
cars was 1953. Compare catalog illustrations of the 1953 210 series Sport
Coupe
with those of the Two-Door Sedan and you will quickly see the difference.
Please note that the marketing organizations sometimes altered a name to
create
a sportier image for a given modeI - and took a few liberties with
terminology
in use by the Body Engineering Departments. Thus, one sometimes sees what
is, in
actuality, a two-door sedan body with a bit of extra trim dressed-up and
marketed as a "Sport Coupe" or some similar-sounding name. If you think
this is
somewhat confusing, then try investigating all the liberties taken with the
terms Convertible, Phaeton, Roadster, Touring Car, etc. over the years!
I hope some of the foregoing helps to at least partially clear up some
of the
confusion.
Roy N.
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:gerald111@webtv.net, INTERNET:gerald111@webtv.net
Have a lot of parts cars, sold my property and must move them have 1
70kmile engine trans in 57 every part still there from breather to
pan.also 57 wagon (solid rebuilder ) many more Recent bad health forces
sale
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To: BOB FORD, BOB_FORD
From: Fremont Oliver, INTERNET:orcabait@webtv.net
Bob could you or possibly other knowledgeable readers attempt to
establish approx value of my chevy pic on web page below. Was purchased
by my parents new. 56 belair with power pack and powerglide 127000 mi
feel free to ask questions to help evaulate. Address above. it would be
interesting .....Monte
http://community.webtv.net/orcabait/MonteandSandys
Editor's note. The current issue of Old Cars Price Guide list the following
prices for a
1956 Bel Air 2dr Sedan.
Condition
6 $450
5 $1450
4 $2400
3 $4800
2 $8400
1 $12,000
Add 10 percent for air and 15 percent for power pack
BOB
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:Mjzuccaro@aol.com, INTERNET:Mjzuccaro@aol.com
Bob/Gang:
Can anyone recommend a good radiator for my '57 with 283? I replaced the
original when I first got the car 10 years ago. Got a 3 pass "desert
cooler"
style from American Radiator Co. (I think) in Los Angeles.
What a piece of junk! In the last few years it's been springing leaks from
both tanks. I've had it fixed a few times and it's still leaking! The
original
lasted over 30 years, the replacement only lasted about 5 till it started
leaking. Very unhappy with it.
Any recommendations? Wouldn't mind finding one with a lifetime warranty,
like
I got for my Datsun pickup. That one also lasted a few years,but the free
replacement has been leak free for at least 5 years. Bought it thru Kragen
but they dont stock anything for the '57.
Thanks,
Mike Zuccaro
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To: BOB FORD, BOB_FORD
From: Bob Rice, INTERNET:bobrice@redshift.com
>Editor's note. I think the term hardtop refers to a car without a post
behind the front window. List members is that correct?<
That's correct. It all goes back to the very early 50's when some cars
started coming out without solid pillars between the front and rear side
windows. They were referred to as hardtop convertibles because they
kinda had the look of a convertible, especially when all the windows
were rolled down. After awhile people dropped the "convertible" and just
called them hardtops. Silly but true. Hardtops usually had the
top-of-the-line trim and accessory options and were considered more
stylish than sedans, thus they commanded a premium price, then and now.
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:Marty28447@aol.com, INTERNET:Marty28447@aol.com
Bob,
To advertise a classic car for sale for free go to web site:
http://www.justchevys.com/newpage4.htm
Kim
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:Don9802@aol.com, INTERNET:Don9802@aol.com
Hi Bob.
I wanted to find out if any of the list members could give me
some helpful hints as to what to look for when buying a fixer-upper. I'm
going to look at a '57 2 dr hardtop that is complete except for the
transmission, two of the chrome hash marks by the headlights and the
cigarette
lighter. I'm told that it has the usual rust in the floor pan,spare tire
area and behind the front wheels. Any ideas as what to keep an eye out for
would be appreciated. Thanks to all and keep up the good work Bob.
Don
don9802@aol.com
Editor's note. I think that when you buy a car you need to look for things
that are expensive to repair.
Rust damage can be very expensive to repair depending on what is rusted.
Mechanical repairs are fairly easy and inexpensive. Contact your local car
club and ask for help. You will find some very knowledgeable people that
can help you inspect the car. They will save you a lot of money. Then
give a donation to the club for their help. I invite other list members
to submit their opinion on this subject.
BOB
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To: BOB FORD, BOB_FORD
From: Sanford "Sandy" Pierce, INTERNET:mr55chev@webtv.net
The term "hardtop" is a short form of "hardtop convertible". In 1949,
Cad & Buick brought out cars that "looked" like converts but with a
steel top - no post between the doors and rear quarter windows. I will
get arguments about 39-40 Mercs and 46-48 Chrysler cars being first -
whatever. They called them hardtop convertibles and the phrase was
shortened to hardtops. The definition Bob
used about the post is the most accurate - if it has a post between the
front doors and rear doors/quarter windows, it is a sedan, if not, it is
a hardtop. So, is a Nomad a sedan? No. but here it is the styling of
the doors with no permanent frame around the glass - like a convert or
hardtop.....
On the 8th day HE created the 55 Chevrolet
(and GMC Suburban Pickups)
http://community.webtv.net/mr55chev/555657CHEV
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:WDJ1957@aol.com, INTERNET:WDJ1957@aol.com
Hi Bob, greetings from the northeast where spring has sprung, and boy let
me
tell you it feels great to have the sun on the face again. I have a
question.
I am looking to purchase a new cover for my 57 Nomad. I was a member of CCW
years ago, they where the ones I purchased the first one from. Time for a
new
one. But I want the custom fit cover. can anyone steer me the right way.
Thanks, Dennis
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To: BOB FORD, BOB_FORD
From: Donna, INTERNET:Fiftiesforever@webtv.net
To List Members;
Does anyone have any leads on a good pair of 55 chevy fenders? Ones that
haven't been capped. I have been looking on e-bay and inquiring in our
area, but with no success.
Also, here is another question: I know there were a little over 3
million of our 55-57 chevies made. Any information as to how many of
them are still around? Even 10% would make that number 300,000 cars!
Thats alotta classics! Donna.
Fifties Forever
206 Division Ave.
Garfield, NJ 07026
973-
478-1306
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:Tjjpgarrett@aol.com, INTERNET:Tjjpgarrett@aol.com
You are correct about the sedan vs. hardtop question. The sedans are also
called the "post" cars.
In regard to this question, I am glad to see some folks asking the "newbie"
questions. When I got my 57 several years ago, I had a hard time finding
out
the simplest information, like the difference between the sedan and
hardtop.
I firmly believe the national clubs should begin at least a column for the
newcomer to the hobby. Some of us need to learn the difference between
dwell
and timing before we go on to 700R4s, Corvette rear ends, shoe-horning in a
454 cu. in. engine or balancing the engine. Don;t get me wrong. All those
things are great for those who have been in the hobby for a while. But the
basics help bring new guys in that will keep these babies running in the
next
generation.
Tom Garrett in Wetumpka, AL.
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