An old farmer once angry with the way I was stacking hay. said... you!!! stand over there and watch. He proceeded to throw "all" the bales up into place getting very hot and sweaty in the process. When done he said there...that's how it is done! Me being the smart A that I am I said... a man who busts his canteen to show another man how it is done will soon be thirsty!...True story. I still wonder who learned a lesson that day?Don't show them everything just enough so "they" will have knowledge and can complete the job. cm