The H&H perches are not cheap but they are worth every penny of cost. I can walk in to a local 4x4 Off Road shop and buy those ill filling wide ones for about 12.95. Sorry, maybe I should have been more persistent on this, However, I am used to being ignored on the internet and figure sometime people have to learn the hard way like I did, in this regard, I do appreciate people who "man up " with follow up post that may help the next guy.