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    Someone sent me this in my email today, re Electric Vehicles...

    "Electric Cars - Are they great or what?

    THE PINEHURST PRESS NEWS & VIEWS

    Interesting Take on Electric Cars

    As an engineer I love the electric vehicle technology. However, I
    have been troubled for a longtime by the fact that the electrical
    energy to keep the batteries charged has to come from the grid and
    that means more power generation and a huge increase in the
    distribution infrastructure Whether generated from coal, gas, oil,
    wind or sun, installed generation capacity is limited. A friend sent
    me the following that says it very well. You should all take a look
    at this short article.


    IF ELECTRIC CARS DO NOT USE GASOLINE, THEY WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN
    PAYING A GASOLINE TAX ON EVERY GALLON THAT IS SOLD FOR AUTOMOBILES,
    WHICH WAS ENACTED SOME YEARS AGO TO HELP TO MAINTAIN OUR ROADS AND
    BRIDGES. THEY WILL USE THE ROADS, BUT WILL NOT PAY FOR THEIR
    MAINTENANCE!
    In case you were thinking of buying hybrid or an electric car:
    Ever since the advent of electric cars, the REAL cost per mile of
    those things has never been discussed. All you ever heard was the mpg
    in terms of gasoline, with nary a mention of the cost of electricity
    to run it . This is the first article I've ever seen and tells the
    story pretty much as I expected it to.

    Electricity has to be one of the least efficient ways to power things
    yet they're being shoved down our throats. Glad somebody finally put
    engineering and math to paper.

    At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC Hydro
    Executive. I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious.

    If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, he pointed out, you
    had to face certain realities. For example, a home charging system
    for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped
    with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes),
    The electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three
    houses with a single Tesla, each. For even half the homes to have
    electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded.


    This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our
    residential infrastructure cannot bear the load. So as our genius
    elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged
    to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems
    with expensive, new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have
    to renovate our entire delivery system! This latter "investment"
    will not be revealed until we're so far down this dead end road that
    it will be presented with an 'OOPS...!' and a shrug.

    If you want to argue with a green person over cars that are
    eco-friendly, just read the following. Note: If you ARE a green
    person, read it anyway. It's enlightening.

    Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors and
    he writes, "For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted
    only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.
    "Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran
    on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the
    16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles.


    It will take you 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10
    hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5
    hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging
    Time) would be 20 mph.
    According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of
    electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery.
    The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned ,
    so I looked up what I pay for electricity.

    I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16
    per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery.
    $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the
    Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a
    gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32
    Mpg = $0.10 per mile.


    The gasoline powered car costs about $25,000 while the Volt costs
    $46,000 plus. So the Canadian Government wants loyal Canadians not to
    do the math, but simply pay twice as much for a car, that costs
    more than seven times as much to run, and takes three times longer to
    drive across the country. "

    --------------------------------- Libs can only see one side of each issue -------

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    Interesting article but I think he is a decimal point off on the kwh electricity costs. In our area it is about 12 cents per kwh which would put an electric vehicle operating cost at .074 per mile based on his formula. Electrics not paying gas tax is obviously an issue for road maintenance. I heard Illinois recently passed a law to put an extra fee on the annual registration for electric vehicles for that very reason. Seems to be a reasonable solution to that problem.

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    Could be... I didn't check the numbers...

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    Interesting article and Custer is right on the electric cost. I pay 10.9 cents, but that's going to vary a lot across the country. I hope no one is having to pay $1.16 in the US.

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    The article makes some good points but it's obviously biased and contains errors. I don't believe the 30mpg on the tiny gas engine and Chevy specs say 42 MPG combined highway/city mileage on gas alone....

    "Offering up to 53 pure electric milesand up to 420 mileswith a full charge and full tank of gas, the 2019 Volt plug-in hybrid gives you the peace of mind to go as far as you want to go. " "367-mile extended range based on 42 MPG combined city/highway (gas)."

    EVs have a place in transportation and IMO that's mostly for commuting, or in big cities were pollution is a problem. Hybrids are needed for long-distance travel. Personally I think a plug-in hybrid is the best overall solution for a one car family.

    I recently saw an article from Hot Rod magazine or someone else stating that EVs are here to stay, even in drag racing. You can't fight it.
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    All other considerations aside, I believe the issue of electric (and other alternative means of propelling our personal vehicles) should be left to market factors and the motoring public to decide.

    Keep government mandates and subsidies out of it. If electric (or other propulsion sources) prove both viable and affordable, there will be a market for them.

    If not...... No biggie. We are sitting on enough fossil fuel to power such things for many hundreds of years, so there is plenty of time to sort this out.

    As for humankind causing 'climate change'...... That's straight up globalist political BS and shouldn't be a part of the discussion in my view.

    Best regards to all,

    Harry
    'G-d Bless The U.S.A.'...... Lee Greenwood......

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_5aoptI5j0

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    Here's another thing to look at. Local power outages, planned or unplanned. If you live in Cali, that's something that is recently an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickP View Post
    Here's another thing to look at. Local power outages, planned or unplanned. If you live in Cali, that's something that is recently an issue.
    Another reason why a plug-in hybrid makes the most sense wrt electric vehicles.
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