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Thread: Virus a danger to our freedoms??

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    Virus a danger to our freedoms??

    Some here have expressed concern over what is possible, and what our local/state/federal governments might do in the virus situation (for our own good supposedly?)... The following is an email I got today which provides an example of this..

    https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/1/m...FMLT14?.src=fp

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    I am one of those that is concerned that the Virus a danger to our freedoms. However I can't read the email because I don't have a Yahoo account. Could you please copy and past from the email so we can see the contents?

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    Sorry Tabasco, I didn't know it could only be read via a yahoo account.. Here are the words from that email:

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    While you and I spent the weekend honoring the brave men and women who have sacrificed their lives for our country, two critical events occurred.


    Last Friday, President Trump answered Public Advocate's demands to do more to protect Religious Liberty.

    He officially acknowledged that "all churches are essential" -- quoting our very own words.

    In the language of the COVID-19 pandemic, this means that the President and federal government are recognizing that churches should have never been shut down.

    But on the very same day, the radical Left struck too.

    The infamously anti-Christian 9th Circuit Court of Appeals rejected calls from California churches to be relieved of Governor Newsom's order to close.

    Instead, the 9th Circuit Court ruled that the Bill of Rights has been suspended during this crisis!

    Judge Silverman -- appointed to this court by Clinton -- and Judge Nguyen -- appointed by Obama -- ruled against the Bill of Rights, arguing that:

    "The Constitutional standards" of the First Amendment "should not be applied" to their judgment when the government is dealing with a scary disease.

    Meanwhile, the one Trump appointee on the panel -- Judge Collins -- issued a dissenting opinion that argued the California Governor's reopening plan "undeniably discriminated against churches."

    Collins focused on points Public Advocate has been making for months, namely that churches are being held to stricter standards than commercial retail stores.

    California's "reopening plan" has explicitly and categorically delayed all religious services reopening untill an unspecified "Phase 3" that will happen at some point in the future.

    Whenever that might be.

    This is the fight our country is facing.

    The White House has steadily improved its position on Religious Liberty during this crisis under pressure from Public Advocate.

    Attorney General Barr first argued that Religious Liberty could be restricted during this crisis.

    But after Public Advocate issued legal opinions pointing out how flawed and dangerous Barr's statement was, he righted the ship.

    Now, the Department of Justice is actively aiding churches in their legal fights in court to have their rights restored.

    And President Trump's announcement last Friday put all the governors and mayors on notice.

    Churches are on the Essential List -- because the First Amendment is not conditional or subject to emergencies.

    But the Mainstream Media is once again doing everything they can to twist Trump's words and hijack the conversation.

    If you read any of the news reports over the weekend, you saw this theme:

    "Does the President have the power to override the authority of the States?"

    This very question is a lie.

    It implies that Trump is trying to reverse lawful orders -- orders to close churches -- given by governors and mayors in many states.

    I was shocked to see even conservative media sources mischaracterizing the President's position.

    Trump did not countermand lawful orders last Friday.

    Trump called out these politicians for issuing ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL orders.

    Closing the churches was never legal.

    And persecuting the churches that refused to comply was a gross violation of the First Amendment.

    President Trump has done nothing more than his presidential duty to defend the Constitutional rights of American citizens.

    He has issued a formal warning to these politicians that they need to stop now or face serious consequences.

    That's what he really said, but that's not what's being reported around the country.

    These liberal mayors and governors are trying to pretend that Trump is a tyrant who is usurping their authority.

    Chicago's homosexual Mayor, Lori Lightfoot, flat-out rejected Trump's order for her to restore the First Amendment.

    She said Trump has no power to "override local officials" and their closing of churches.

    This same Mayor has ordered her police to tow the cars of churchgoers while they sit in service.

    Meanwhile, the witch-hunt against churches is reaching a frenzy.

    A Mississippi church was utterly destroyed by arson last week.

    Graffiti left behind read, "Bet you stay home now, you 'hypokrits.'"

    It couldn't be any clearer.

    This church was terrorized and destroyed because they refused to be shut down.

    This terrorist struck because the Mainstream Media and the local politicians have made churches the enemy.

    They have painted a giant bullseye on every church that still holds services -- turning Christians into plague-spewing villains.

    The rhetoric of the Homosexual Lobby and the Radical Left have made it "okay" for violent actions against Christians.

    Just like when the SPLC encouraged Floyd Lee Corkins to come after me and my staff with a gun.

    Churches have faced ruinous fines, arrests, harassment, armed officers invading services, cars towed and terrorism during this crisis.

    The 9th Circuit Court has ruled that this state of emergency suspends the Bill of Rights.

    And the press is twisting Trump's words to make it look like he's an ignorant bully -- instead of a President who's stepping up to defend our rights.

    Churches are essential to life.

    The First Amendment is not conditional.

    And President Trump has drawn a line in the sand, telling these local politicians that they are on the wrong side of the Constitution.

    But if the Mainstream Media is allowed to control the narrative of Trump's words, then they will derail his efforts to restore the rights of churches.

    They are claiming that Trump is acting like a tyrant -- but that is the exact opposite of the truth.

    No, President Trump is not trying to usurp authority from the States by ordering the reopening of churches.

    What President Trump has done is order the States to stop their ILLEGAL attacks on churches and the Religious Liberty that is guaranteed under the First Amendment.

    That's why I'm dedicating Public Advocate to use every tool we have to counteract this false narrative.

    But I can't do it without you.

    Defending President Trump against the whole Mainstream Media is not going to be easy -- or cheap.

    The President answered our call and took a stand -- we have a duty to help him now in every way we can.

    So I need to ask you to prayerfully consider what you can donate to this fight right now.

    Whether it's $50 or $25 -- or even just $10 or $5 -- any amount will be a tremendous help.

    I know that we can win this fight -- but it's going to take a lot of sacrifice to do it.

    Please, click here to make a generous donation right now.

    I've already got my staff hard at work to get the true story out there.

    I am trusting that the money will come in.

    For the Family,

    HON. EUGENE DELGAUDIO
    President, Public Advocate of the U.S.

    P.S. President Trump has finally declared that all churches are essential and protected under the Bill of Rights.

    But on the very same day, federal judges ruled that the Bill of Rights has been suspended during this crisis.

    Meanwhile, the media is twisting Trump's words to make him look like a tyrant.

    It's up to you and me to get the real story out there.
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    Thanks for posting this, Bama. Its definitely something we should all be aware of. Not familiar with the organization mentioned, but the ACLJ does a lot of work before the US Supreme Court addressing just these sorts of issues......

    https://aclj.org/

    FWIW...... This is not limited to Christian houses of worship. Synagogues and mosques are under same orders as are churches.

    Also...... And this may vary by state...... But it is my understanding that houses of worship are reopening so long as they take measures to address masks and social distancing. Here in Texas, Gov. Abbott began reopening houses of worship a month ago......

    https://www.click2houston.com/news/texas/2020/04/27/churches-places-of-worship-allowed-to-expand-occupancy-beginning-friday-abbott-says/

    https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/houston-church-not-reopen-greg-abbott-texas-plan-15234802.php


    Best regards,

    Harry
    Last edited by enigma57; 05-28-2020 at 06:37 PM.
    'G-d Bless The U.S.A.'...... Lee Greenwood......

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_5aoptI5j0

    Staff Sergeant Roy Benavidez......

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3nncd4sxaM&t=466s

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    Harry,

    this is the part that most disturbed me...

    "But on the very same day, federal judges ruled that the Bill of Rights has been suspended during this crisis."

    If there is any place in our constitution that provides power to ANY federal court to SUSPEND the Bill of Rights, I'm unaware of it and would like to be informed where it is???

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    the Bill of Rights has been suspended during this crisis.
    I find it hard to believe a judge would write this in an opinion, but you never know these days. I would also believe that an appeal would correct this kind of ruling - but again you never know these days. But many of the lawsuits over Trump's actions have been upheld, rightly so - so there is hope.

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    Rest easy, Bama. No judge (federal or otherwise) has the authority to suspend any part of our Constitution, including the Bill of Rights. I suspect the author of the letter you posted may have exaggerated a bit on that count.

    Now that's not to say that there are not those activist left leaning members of the judiciary who will try. But their attempts to do so would be unconstitutional at best and treasonous at worst.

    Best regards,

    Harry
    'G-d Bless The U.S.A.'...... Lee Greenwood......

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_5aoptI5j0

    Staff Sergeant Roy Benavidez......

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3nncd4sxaM&t=466s

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    Quote from BamaNomad post "Judge Silverman -- appointed to this court by Clinton -- and Judge Nguyen -- appointed by Obama -- ruled against the Bill of Rights."

    Recently a judge in Texas, appointed by Clinton, ruled that Texas must accept mail in votes in this years election. If the wrong president gets elected, their judicial appointments causes the country to suffer for a lot longer than the 4 or 8 years that person is in office.

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    I agree that appointments of left leaning activist judges are a problem that persists until they are out of office and we are shed of them once and for all.

    However, in the case of the activist judges in Texas, the Texas Supreme Court just this week has ruled against them and mail-in ballots will not be permitted in Texas unless a person is over 65 or is incapacitated and cannot physically get to the polls to vote in person (and requests a mail-in ballot). Same as its always been. The Democrat attempt at mandating mail-in ballots for all in Texas (and the attendant voter fraud associated with that nonsense)...... Has failed for now, at least......

    https://texasscorecard.com/state/as-...s-fights-back/

    https://www.texaspolicy.com/mail-in-...id-a-pandemic/

    http://directactiontx.com/tag/vote-harvesting/

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/27/polit...ion/index.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballot_harvesting

    Best regards,

    Harry
    Last edited by enigma57; 05-29-2020 at 06:18 PM.
    'G-d Bless The U.S.A.'...... Lee Greenwood......

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_5aoptI5j0

    Staff Sergeant Roy Benavidez......

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3nncd4sxaM&t=466s

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    If you look at the numbers, the biggest (but certainly not only) potential for fraud with the mail in ballots is the dead and moved away voters that are still erroneously on the rolls, which has been pointed out earlier in the thread. There is potential for fraud with the traditional absentee mail in voting scheme but the number potential is very small relatively speaking. Just have people ask for mail in, that alone will cut off most of the fraud. Yes there will be a few dead people ask for a ballot. But it's harder to pull off and more effort.

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