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chevynut
07-29-2015, 02:47 PM
http://nypost.com/2015/07/28/american-dentist-sought-in-killing-of-cecil-zimbabwes-beloved-lion/

So now the animal rights retards are up in arms over a guy who paid $50K to shoot a lion in Africa. This guy hired a professional hunter and paid to get onto private land bordering a national park. They baited to try to draw in a lion and "Cecil" apparently fell for the bait and got shot with a bow and arrow.

In my eyes, this hunter did nothing wrong. Unfortunately he didn't get a quick kill and they had to track the lion down, but that can happen with a bow and arrow or a rifle. He apparently had a legal permit and did not shoot the animal in the park. maybe something will come out to clarify what else may have happened, but to this point I think it was all legal. I don't even know why they've arrested the PH and the landowner, maybe just for show.

If I was hunting around Rocky Mountain National Park or even Yellowstone, it would be perfectly legal for me to shoot an elk or moose that wandered off of the park, whether it had a radio collar or not, or even if it was some sort of "celebrity". There was a popular bull elk named "Samson" who got shot illegally outside of RMNP several years ago and everyone went nuts. The only thing the guy really did wrong was he didn't have a license to shoot an elk, and I think he may have shot it on YMCA property. But if he would have had a license and permission to hunt there, it would still be a dead elk and they probably still would have raised hell about it.

How was this dentist guy supposed to know he was shooting a "beloved" lion? How was he supposed to know it was radio-collared, when lions have a big mane that would cover any collar?

If I was this guy I'd be carrying a gun with me at all times. There are some real nutcases around who would kill or beat him in revenge, and those same people probably have no problem with killing a baby months into a pregnancy by "crushing" it (as per Planned Parenthood).

And this liberal bitch Mia Farrow had no right to post the dentist's address, imo. If he gets attacked I think she should be charged with aiding and abetting a crime.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/07/29/mia-farrow-shares-address-man-who-shot-cecil-lion-on-twitter/?intcmp=hpff

This article just posted suggests the landowner may be the one responsible...so why is everyone going after the dentist?:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/29/africa/zimbabwe-cecil-the-lion-killed/

Investigations suggest the killing of Cecil was illegal because the landowner "was not allocated a lion on his hunting quota for 2015," said a statement from the Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Management Authority (http://www.zimparks.org/) and Safari Operators Association of Zimbabwe (http://www.soaz.net/).

Rick_L
07-29-2015, 04:12 PM
And now we find out that the perp gave $5000 to the Romney campaign in 2012. Romney should give the money back!

chevynut
07-29-2015, 09:28 PM
Say What? What does that have to do with Cecil or anything about hunting?

Obviously this dentist is pretty well off if he can pay $50K for a lion hunt. And only $5K to Romney? :)

Rick_L
07-30-2015, 05:40 AM
What does that have to do with Cecil or anything about hunting?

It shows that this mean thoughtless person who must be a Republican actually is one. No Democrat libtard would do such a thing.

Next thing we'll find out is that he pays NRA dues too.

rockytopper R.I.P 5-13-2017
07-30-2015, 07:44 AM
What a scum bag. He screwed all of us.

My wife who set in the stand with me when I pulled the trigger is telling me my 3 trophy white tail mounts that have hung on our wall sense we got married 20 years ago have to go. The barn she says. I hate face book lol.........

smooth 56
07-30-2015, 08:50 AM
The truth be known the PH's knew what was going on.The dentist maybe not or maybe so but ether way it was a bad hunt.Been there believe me the PH's know when it's rite and when it's wrong.

Maddog
07-30-2015, 10:12 AM
Absolutely no reason to kill a lion unless it's in defense of peoples lives

rockytopper R.I.P 5-13-2017
07-30-2015, 11:35 AM
Why isn't Ted playing cat scratch fever yet? LOL

chevynut
07-30-2015, 03:18 PM
I don't know Smooth, we'll have to wait to find out the whole truth. If the PH knew it was illegal, then he's the one that should be charged. The landowner may not have known a thing about hunting but was paid for access. The hunter paid big money to hire an "expert" that should have known what was right and wrong. I believe if you hire a guide in the US and he has you do something illegal that you had no reason to question, it's his fault.

smooth 56
07-30-2015, 07:51 PM
Yeah we will have to wait and see but I will just about bet they knew what they were doing.The wife and I use to run a archery shop from 2000 till 2005 called Eagles wings archery.we use to book hunts with Shoonbee Safaris it was x amount of dollars for the hunt but x amount for the animal you were hunting.If you brought blood you bought the animal.So if the hunter didn't kill they didn't get that money. They just got the fee for the stay.

chevynut
07-30-2015, 09:01 PM
What are the odds of them luring a lion out of the park from a mile away? If they really were after that particular lion, I think they would have been closer to the park. Hell, they probably could have legally hunted right on the boundary if their licenses were legal. And how far inside the park did the lion usually stay? I personally doubt the PH would have targeted that particular lion knowing they were tracking it daily. He had to have known it would mean trouble for him.

smooth 56
07-31-2015, 04:49 AM
Chevy I agree with what your saying but money and greed will make people do crazy things.I use to hunt in Ill.that place is eat up with outfitters you would be surprised at what those guys would do to make sure the paid hunter shot a deer.

Maddog
07-31-2015, 07:21 AM
HARARE, Zimbabwe (AP) — Zimbabwe intends to seek the extradition of an American dentist who killed a lion that was lured out of a national park and shot with a bow and a gun, and the process has already begun, a Cabinet minister said Friday."Unfortunately it was too late to apprehend the foreign poacher as he had already absconded to his country of origin," Oppah Muchinguri, Zimbabwe's environment, water and climate minister, told a news conference. "We are appealing to the responsible authorities for his extradition to Zimbabwe so that he be made accountable."
On Tuesday, American hunter Walter James Palmer issued a statement saying he relied on his guides to ensure the hunt was legal. Two Zimbabweans — a professional hunter and a farm owner — have been arrested in the killing of the lion known as Cecil, a killing garnered worldwide condemnation.
"There has been an outcry," Muchinguri said. "Almost 500,000 people are calling for his extradition and we need this support. We want him tried in Zimbabwe because he violated our laws."

She did not explain the 500,000 but there are online petitions demanding Palmer's extradition.
"I have already consulted with the authorities within the police force who are responsible for arresting the criminal. We have certain processes we have to follow," Muchinguri said at the offices of the national parks and wildlife authority. "Police should take the first step to approach the prosecutor general who will approach the Americans. The processes have already started."
The Cabinet minister said both Palmer and professional hunter Theo Bronkhorst violated the Parks and Wildlife Act, which controls the use of bow and arrow hunting. She said Palmer, who reportedly paid $50,000 to hunt the lion, also violated the act through financing an illegal hunt. The landowner violated the act because he "allowed a hunt to be conducted without a quota and necessary permit," Muchinguri said.
There is an extradition treaty between Zimbabwe and the United States. The U.S. Embassy in Zimbabwe said Friday that it does not comment on extradition matters.

Muchinguri accused Palmer of "a well-orchestrated agenda which would tarnish the image of Zimbabwe and further strain the relationship between Zimbabwe and the USA."
Zimbabwe and the United States have often sparred over the years. The southern African country has blamed its economic woes on U.S. sanctions against President Robert Mugabe and close associates, though many commentators have attributed Zimbabwe's economic decline to mismanagement. Washington imposed the penalties on Zimbabwe because of human rights concerns. More broadly, Mugabe has long railed against what he calls Western meddling in Africa, saying it is an extension of the colonial rule of the past.
Palmer is believed to have shot the lion with a bow on July 1 outside Hwange National Park, after it was lured onto private land with a carcass of an animal laid out on a car, Zimbabwean conservationists have said. Some 40 hours later, the wounded cat was tracked down and Palmer allegedly killed it with a gun, they said.
Palmer, 55, is a dentist in the Minneapolis suburb of Bloomington. In a note to his patients, he wrote: "I understand and respect that not everyone shares the same views on hunting." He said he would resume his dental practice "as soon as possible."
The lion's head, which was severed by the hunters, has been confiscated by the wildlife authorities, according to Director of National Parks and Wildlife Edson Chidziya.

chevynut
07-31-2015, 09:30 AM
Smooth I don't understand what you're trying to say. If you're saying the PH might be guilty of breaking the law, I agree. But I don't think the hunter himself did anything illegal. I think the ONLY issue here is whether the area had a lion quota or not.

The place they hunted was private and they had permission to hunt there so that was legal.
The proximity to the park is irrelevant, so that was legal.
The baiting or "luring" was legal.
The bow and arrow hunt was legal.
Hunting at night is legal in Africa.
Cecil walked off of the park so he was legal game.

What law did the hunter himself break? It's the PH's responsibility to ensure that the hunt is conducted legally for his client.

The hunter probably had no clue whether or not there was a legal quota set for the area. He just paid for the hunt. People are going crazy about this issue, and say he shouldn't have shot a collared lion. I saw the videos of Cecil, and I saw no collar.

smooth 56
07-31-2015, 09:44 AM
Chevy I'm not saying the hunter did anything wrong your rite it is up to the ph. That's what I mean the outfitter would only get there hunting rate if he didn't get the animal he was wanting to hunt.So they make sure that you at least get a shot at it and if you bring blood they get paid.And your rite if it was me I would be relying on what the PH said if he said shoot hell I would shoot not knowing what was going on.The outfitters over there have a price list of the animals that they hunt planes game is a set price all others have a higher price depending on the animal you are hunting.I sold a hunt to a doctor he went just for the planes game package but when he returned he had taken a few other that wasn't part of the package.He said he would just ask how much did that just cost me lol he ended up spending a lot of money while he was there.

chevynut
07-31-2015, 10:00 AM
I have to laugh at the morons on the other site who say that nobody should shoot anything they don't eat. And how "trophy hunting" is so horrible and should be stopped.

The fact is someone is probably eating Cecil. His carcass was probably given to the locals to consume. It's very difficult, if not illegal, to bring meat into the US from another country. So when a hunter goes overseas to hunt, the outfitter often serves game that others have shot as meals to the next clients. The meat that the outfitter can't use is given to the locals to eat.

I consider myself a "trophy hunter" <GASP!> I shoot and kill things I don't eat <another GASP!>!

When I go elk, deer, bear, caribou, antelope, sheep, goat, or whatever hunting, I try to get the largest animal I can in terms of horns, antlers, skull, etc. I hunt partially for the "trophy" and the meat is a bonus. I hunt with a bow and arrow almost exclusively. When I shoot any of the above, I eat the meat. I also give some away to friends and relatives when I have too much, which isn't very often. In fact, it's a LAW in most states that all edible portions of a game animal must be recovered. I shoot prairie dogs (not a game animal) and I don't eat them....but something does. I shoot coyotes (considered a varmint, not a gam eanimal) and I don't eat them...but something does. NOTHING goes to waste in nature, it ALL gets eaten by something. Even if they left Cecil's carcass, it will feed birds, hyenas, and other carnivores. NOTHING Is "wasted".

Maybe that Canadian idiot should be forced to eat every skunk he runs over with his car, or every mouse he traps in his house. LOL! HE KILLED THEM!

So am I some kind of "villain" just because I search out the largest racked animal I can get? What difference does it make whether I shoot the first one I see or let him walk so I can find a bigger one and perhaps end up going home empty-handed? I have passed on many animals in the field and gone home empty many times. Is that bad? I have been to NM and MT on "trophy" elk hunts several times, and still have not filled. I paid my tag fees of $750-1000 per hunt (several thousands by now) to support the game management departments, and I harvested nothing in either state so far. I am going to NM again in September for another try.

It took me 18 years to draw a sheep license in Colorado. I've been applying for 13 years in Montana, and 10 years in Utah. I've applied for moose in CO for 17 years now and 10 years in MT, several years in UT, and have never drawn a tag. Every application costs me money even if I don't draw. When you wait this long to be able to hunt, you really want to get a big one to mount. What's the point of hunting sheep if you don't mount the head or the whole animal? These hunts, by definition, are "trophy" hunts. Whose business is it how I decide to spend my money?

And what's wrong with hanging trophies on your wall? I have a dozen of them, including a life-sized mountain goat. It's a tribute to the animal imo. Some people walk into my house and love all the mounts...others not so much. That's their problem, not mine. I like them...they remind me of my hunting adventures.

The moron canadian libtard over there says he doesn't understand why people hunt when they don't need to, thinks trophy hunting is wrong, believes that the $50K this hunter spent to shoot a lion could have been used for better purposes, and that you should eat everything you shoot. Well, those are his opinions....let's look at this:

There are lots of people who don't understand why we have old, unsafe, polluting cars that we spend an absurd $50-100K+ building. Should a person be allowed to "waste" money like that? And why does anyone "need" any more than 100 horsepower in a car? 100 horsepower is enough to get you from point A to point B. Most of these cars do not conform to current safety requirements, they have no air bags, often no seatbelts, no collapsible steering columns, nothing. Why should people be allowed to drive them? Most of these cars get under 15 mpg and don't have any pollution controls such as cats, air pumps, EGRs, etc. Why should they be allowed to waste gas like that? They pollute more than new cars so why are people allowed to drive them? Why does anyone need a "trophy" garage with multiples of these old cars in it? Why should people be allowed to put non-stock "pretty" wheels on their cars and waste money on them? Noise pollution is a big problem with some of these old cars with loud mufflers. They should be illegal, right?

The point of all of this is that everyone has their own interests. Just because you don't like to do what someone else does, doesn't mean you should condemn them and try to stop what they're doing as long as it's legal. After all, your hobby could be NEXT.

chevynut
07-31-2015, 10:04 AM
Smooth, I have looked at African hunts often and plan to go some day when I can find a hunting partner willing to go. They do have hunt "packages" for reasonable prices. $4000-5000 for 5 animals in the package. I have also seen daily rated with trophy fees.

It really bothers me that they keep calling this lion hunter a "poacher". They've already convicted him before all the facts are out. IMO he's not a poacher no matter what happens, unless he somehow KNEW there was no lion quota for the area he hunted in. I really don't believe they "targeted" Cecil, because that would have been stupid given his celebrity. And they talk about "luring" him out with bait...so what? It's legal in Africa and in many places in the US to use bait. If this would have been any other lion than Cecil, we wouldn't have heard one word about it.

chevynut
07-31-2015, 11:48 AM
Everyone is making such a big deal about Walter Palmer's past "conviction" for illegal bear hunting. Here's the story on that:

http://heavy.com/news/2015/07/walter-palmer-lied-federal-agents-2006-bear-hunt-guilty-plea-conviction-prison-fine-court-documents-criminal-record-wisconsin-minnesota-dentist-dds/

So he somehow, inadvertently shot a bear outside Wisconsin Subzone A1, which is INSIDE of Zone A, which is all a legal bear hunting area. Everything he was in was a legal hunting area but he was only licensed to hunt Subzone A1. A Zone A hunter could hunt in Subzone A1 but not vice versa. When stopped and questioned about it, he said he thought he was in Subzone A1.

The complaint says that "after LEARNING that the bear had been killed illegally", the [hunters] agreed to say it was killed in Subzone A1. So he was convicted of "lying" about where the bear was actually shot. Big deal...it was a dead bear regardless and many other bears were shot in the same area.

Personally I don't see this as a very serious hunting offense. But the media is having a fit over it and the antis are running with it.

I got cited for "driving" on state trust land in CO two years ago. I drove on a county road until it ended. The sign said "End of county road" and that was it. I stopped at two ranch houses to ask about continuing to drive on the road, but nobody was there. So I decided to drive further. We ended up at a cattle guard and on the fence was a big sign that said "Sand Creek State Wildlife area. There were vehicle tracks into the area on a well-traveled road. We reached a place where the road forked, and there were vehicle tracks on that other fork so we took it. There were no signs until about a mile in we came upon a gate that said "No vehicles beyond this point" so we parked there and packed in to hunt.

After a couple days we heard some chainsawing below us and I got uncomfortable with things. I told my son and his friend that we should pack back out and go to the ranch to make sure we were legal. We stopped at a ranch house and talked to the owner. He told us the Game and Fish was looking for us. So we drove to town and went to the Game and Fish to straighten things out. I explained that the signage was very confusing, and we thought we were legally on the property, which we were. It was how we got there that was the issue. He said "it happens all the time" up there.

Regardless of the fact that we came down voluntarily, interrupting our hunt, and tried to get everything sorted out, the asshole G&F officer cited us for driving on the state land. I told him it was obvious that others were doing it but he said some people were "authorized" to do so. We found an outfitter trailer back on the road a ways, and he was obviously allowed to do that. That was partly why we thought we were legal. What we did was not that big of a deal, and we voluntarily came down to address it. I asked the G&F to just give us a warning citation due to our cooperation but the dumfuk wouldn't do that. We could have just as easily stayed there and come home later....they may not have pursued us at all.

Anyhow, I fought the ticket. I traveled back up there since I was retired (wouldn't have done it otherwise) and went to court. I explained my case to the DA and said the G&F was negligent in providing proper signage and even told me "it happens all the time". The G&F official said they don't have to put up any signage at all, and it was my fault for not reading their brochure properly. I said if they had so many issues with it they should inform hunters with proper signs to prevent this from happening, instead of letting it "happen all the time". All they needed to do was put up a sign that said "No public road access beyond this point" or similar. The DA agreed with me, and offered a plea bargain just to get me out of there. I got 6 months "probation" after which everything was dropped, and I paid a $50 fine and lost no points on my hunting license. After the 6 months everything would be wiped off my record. I demanded that the G&F be required to address the signage issue in return for the deal, and the DA agreed. I heard there are better signs there now.

The point is, people could argue that I was "convicted" of trespassing or illegally entering property when it was really a misunderstanding and negligence on the part of the G&F that contributed to it.

smooth 56
07-31-2015, 12:12 PM
Well I figured that thread on the other site would be closed and it was Lol.Yeah the comments were pretty sad the 2 Canadians if you ask me are tree huggers they have no idea what there talking about.
I hunt like you Chevy I don't just kill anything that walks in I wait on something that's worth the effort.Once the animal is down the work begins like you there is more times that I come home empty handed rather than just fill a tag.
If you ever get to go to Africa you will have a ball. The hunts we did and sold were archery only some of the most exciting hunting you will ever do. Just be prepared to wait on the animals that you harvest it takes a while to get them threw customs and if you kill a warthog it takes even longer. Oh yea none of the meat goes to waste ether you will eat it while your there or it is donated to the village people nothing goes to waste there.

chevynut
07-31-2015, 03:07 PM
Now more truth is coming out to counter the hoopla and lies:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/07/31/dentist-who-killed-cecil-lion-wanted-to-kill-elephant-next-guide-says/?intcmp=hpbt4

"Bronkhorst also told the Telegraph that Palmer's party never intended to hunt on the farmland where Cecil was killed, which is adjacent to a national park. He said he group was late getting started on the day's hunting because Palmer's luggage was late in arriving. "At the last minute I had to divert from a [hunting] concession about eight miles away," Bronkhorst said."

"Bronkhorst tells the Telegraph he first saw Cecil at around 10 p.m. on the night of July 1, describing him as "a magnificent animal." He said Palmer fired an arrow at the lion, which disappeared into some tall grass.

"Bow and arrow wounds are different to gun wounds, and they don’t show much. But we couldn’t do anything that night," Bronkhorst said. The hunters returned the next day, when Bronkhorst says Palmer killed Cecil with a bow-and-arrow. Only then, when hunters examined the lion's carcass, did they notice Cecil's collar.

"I was devastated," Bronkhorst said. "I could not have seen the collar at night. We would never shoot a collared animal. I was devastated, and so was [Palmer], we were both upset, and I panicked and took it off and put it in a tree.

"I should have taken it to [the Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlfe Management Authority], I admit that. ... We took the head and skin, as the client had paid for the trophy."

So he didn't suffer for "40 hours" as has been claimed. This is a common occurrence for bowhunters, or any hunters. You hit an animal in the evening and have to wait until the next day to recover it. That's so you don't jump a wounded animal and have it run off only to lose it. Or it could be dangerous game. I shot a bear in Idaho with my bow one evening...I was confident it was dead but it ran down a steep mountainside into a deep ravine. My hunting partner was scared to go after it in the dark, so we had to wait until morning to recover it. It was dead at the bottom of the ravine. But what if it wasn't and we went after it the night before? In this case the lion was still alive and could have killed the men.

"Zimbabwe authorities, however, have not announced any charges against Palmer, only saying they want to speak with him and the U.S. embassy was not aware of any extradition requests."

And Palmer was NOT targeting Cecil in his hunt like some people have claimed. Neither was the PH.

"In a statement to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune (http://www.startribune.com/zimbabwe-2-to-appear-in-court-for-killing-cecil-the-lion/318828251/), Palmer expressed regret. "I had no idea that the lion I took was a known, local favorite, was collared and part of a study until the end of the hunt... I deeply regret that my pursuit of an activity I love and practice responsibly and legally resulted in the taking of this lion,” he said."

And finally, this hunt had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with a crossbow like a lot of articles have claimed. In fact, most bowhunters don't believe in using crossbows and CO specifically outlaws them during the archery season, as do many states.

chevynut
07-31-2015, 06:00 PM
Doesn't surprise me that out of the two Canadians that have their heads up their asses on the other site one is Bob_Mclaughlin, aka Romax55 here. I'm surprised that sleeper 55 aka "bootjack over there isn't ranting too.

The ignorant morons claim that "600 lions are poached every year" in Africa. Those 600 lions out of 30,000 are LEGALLY shot by hunters paying big bucks to do so. Apparently the the socialist Canadian retards are jealous of these hunters' success in life.

So they locked the thread and no more debate. That's what I hate about that site. Someone get porchdog over here.

Rick_L
07-31-2015, 07:46 PM
porchdog gets sensitive when you present a viewpoint unlike his own too. Just not on this one.

The world has no logic or perspective. The situation has been presented here, rationally.

I saw an article yesterday about "rich dentists" saying their median income is $175k. That's not "rich" in 2015. It's a nice income but not wealthy. I guess it's more than a libtard reporter makes though, and as it should be.

Maddog
07-31-2015, 08:28 PM
Porchdog is a redneck. He claims to know a lot about body/paint but he has made remarks that make me doubt that. As far as the $175K income, not rich just a very good income.
As far as Cecil and how it's presented here, yes, it's normal to have varying views. I for one do not like killing big game for trophys. I am not anti hunting nor anti gun just no real reason to kill a lion except in self defense. No reason to get one's panties in a bunch, either way. Except for chebynut that constantly knocks others and their viewpoint. NEWS FLASH-not everyone thinks the same.

chevynut
08-01-2015, 10:53 PM
Amazing how this story keeps changing.:eek:

First they reported Cecil was shot with a crossbow, then it was a bow and arrow, and some reports still say it was a crossbow. Palmer is an avid bowhunter it seems, and bowhunters rarely use crossbows. Even if it was a crossbow I'm sure it's a legal weapon in Africa.

Then they reported that the hunters were a mile away from the park boundary...then they said they went inside the park..then they say they were within 500 yards of the park. There is no fence. If they found the collar and carcass, how is it they don't know precisely how far from the boundary it was?

Next they said they had the carcass of an animal on the top of a vehicle as bait...then they said they dragged it. I even read they supposedly dragged it into the park and back out.

They said the lion was tracked for 40 hours after being wounded. The PH says they found him the next day and finished him off.

It was reported that he was finished off with a gun....Palmer says it was an arrow. That's easy to verify.

Today they said that Cecil's brother Jericho was also shot...then the guys GPS tracking him said he wasn't. Just adding more to the fire.

Personally I'm believing the PH and Palmer's accounts of what happened because they make more sense to me. What I've heard is Palmer got in late due to luggage issues so they hunted this land closer to the park instead of going to the place the PH wanted to go. They had bait which is legal. The hunters haven't said how far from the park boundary they were as far as I know. Hunting with a bow is legal in Zimbabwe. Cecil was shot outside of the park. When he was shot he ran off so they waited til morning to track him. When they found him he was dispatched with another arrow. After they recovered him they discovered the collar and panicked, so they took it off and hid it. Neither the PH or Palmer said they wanted to shoot this particular lion, and I believe them. Why would you want to do that?

So the truth trickles in and the lies and misrepresentations continue to swirl. It will be interesting to see how the two accounts of the hunt match up.

Some of the media calls this "poaching" but I'm not willing to say it is until they say specifically what law was broken in this hunt. I have even read references to the 600 lions killed legally every year as "poaching". Some people obviously don't know what that means.

chevynut
10-12-2015, 08:35 PM
Just as I figured, no charges against Palmer, the dentist. Investigations concluded that he had the proper permits.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4552880321001/no-charges-for-dentist-who-killed-cecil-the-lion/?intcmp=hpvid1#sp=show-clips

It will be interesting to see what happens to the PH and the charges against him. He is "accused" of "luring" Cecil the lion off the preserve onto private property where he was killed. I have a hard time believing any existing laws were broken. Cecil made the mistake of leaving the sanctuary and as a result got shot and killed. I'm sure the dentist feels bad about shooting him.

chevynut
02-25-2016, 10:52 AM
Less than a year after the uproar over Cecil the lion....

"“Far fewer hunters are going to Zimbabwe,” said Steve Taylor, a former game ranger and guide in Zimbabwe who is now associate director for International Safety and Security at Harvard University. “Directly after the Cecil situation numbers declined precipitously."

”One Zimbabwean conservancy floated the idea of culling nearly 200 of its lions to fight overpopulation. That notion – since tabled – has drawn condemnation, but it highlights the desperation some conservancies face as lion and other animal populations go unchecked, say some conservationists.


Efforts to move some of the more than 500 lions living in the confines of the Bubye Valley Conservancy have so far been derailed. But the issue of overpopulation received little attention – until the cull proposal was mentioned."


"Bubye, located about 300 miles southeast of the Hwange National Refuge where Cecil was shot, relies on trophy hunting to support its operating costs. But since Cecil’s death – and the outrage that followed – there has been a slowdown of hunters willing to travel to Zimbabwe to bag big game. In addition to negative public opinion impacting decisions, hunters have also been hampered by several major airlines refusing to fly exotic animal trophies and the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service listing species of African lions as endangered."

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/02/25/cecil-effect-dangerous-for-lions-guides.html?intcmp=hpbt2

JT56
02-25-2016, 12:38 PM
Now wonder if the groups that opposed the hunting will assist those in need now? Nope our cause was against the hunting in the first place. Now what to do with the over population...Can you imagine what would happen with the deer and elk population without legal hunting?