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Tonight in the shop we started the repair work on the front fenders for the 1947 Biederman Truck, seen here for reference:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%203604.jpg
The fenders are made using 16 gauge steel, so this may be a bit challenging when we get to blocking and wheeling patches for the fenders themselves. In the meantime (while still waiting for the new English wheel) let's get started on the inner fenders. The driver's side is the worst, with so much rotted away that we couldn't get accurate dimensions. The passenger side was in much better condition, but just shy of 70 years has taken its toll in adding some wavy distortion. So we'll remake both sides for a better match.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%203644.jpg
In order to get a more crisp bend on the 16 gauge steel, we used a tipping die in the Lennox to thin the metal at the line of the bend.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204254.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204261.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204265.jpg
Bending in the Baileigh Magnetic Brake..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204258.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204267.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204268.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204270.jpg
This detail shot shows how the thinning helps get a tighter bend..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204260.jpg
Next, we needed a profile template for the rear radius, so the kick shrinker is used on a folded 19 gauge strip to add the radius..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204279.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204278.jpg
A flat folded strip works better than an angle as if you shrink too far in this direction.....
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204280.jpg
......you can simply shrink the back half to reverse the effect without the need for changing to the stretching die..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204281.jpg
Now with an accurate pattern, we can use the template on the new inner fender..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204282.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204286.jpg
All trimmed...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204290.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204291.jpg
With the new clamped to the old, we can see what the years of abuse has done..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204292.jpg
One down, one to go..
markm
03-11-2016, 07:29 AM
Neat old truck, never heard of them had to look it up. Appears they were in business 1920-1955.
Today we got the second inner fender cut out, and took them both over for a test fit on the truck
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204303.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204304.jpg
The driver's side has a bolting plate in the middle of the frame for the steering box, so a relief notch was in order...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204306.jpg
....as well as a bit of trimming for some clearance so that the paint won't be chipped off on the first test drive. The fabrication of these parts are done, and we should pick up the new Tommasini Wheeling Machine this coming weekend so we can get started on the fender patches..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204307.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204308.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204309.jpg
Rustaddict
03-13-2016, 04:48 AM
That's an impressive Vise Grip collection.
Right around 100 pair in various forms..... Some purpose modified..
John's getting ready for engine start ceremonies, so I guess I need to get off my duff here. To help out in that regard, next we'll fabricate the battery tray which I don't believe came with the truck when John got it. Here's the best we have for a pattern:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204646.jpg
The hold down bracket for the prescribed Group 4 battery was with the truck, so we did some test fitting with the inner fender in place. It is a bit cramped for space, and John expressed concern of the availability of the Group 4 battery. Most local sources only carry the Group 1 in stock, which would also be a better fit.. So out with the old...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204644.jpg
I did miss getting in the flat pictures, but here is the freshly folded and welded hold down bracket for the new battery size.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204639.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204640.jpg
All trimmed and prepped for paint..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204641.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204642.jpg
Comparing the new to the old...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204645.jpg
Next will be the new battery tray.
...and now for the battery tray, shown here cut to size and sides folded up...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204650.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204651.jpg
For the end folds, the cut was started using a .035 cutoff wheel..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204652.jpg
...and our trusty jig saw again...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204653.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204654.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204656.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204658.jpg
Both ends complete, and frame holes have been piloted. Once checked to the hole spacing on the frame they can be drilled out for the 3/8 bolts.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204659.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204661.jpg
Not factory original, but highly functional
Need about one more day of curing on the epoxy primer, so today let's work on one of the Biederman fenders.. With Kyle on vacation I was shorthanded in the shop so John (the owner) came by and lent a hand.
First step was to remove the inner fender to see what we had to work with, added some 1/8 holes to use later for clecos in putting things back together..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204723.jpg
The front of the fender bolts to the bumper filler panel, and the rear bolts to the running board. These have a difference in height of 13-3/4, so some blocks were screwed together to hold the fender in correct placement while we worked.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204724.jpg
The inner is getting replaced so the spot welds were ground out for removal.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204727.jpg
Once removed, we found more pitting and damage than we originally thought was there, so now lets make this new as well..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204728.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204730.jpg
New piece is cut out and the Wheeling machine with the go kart slick is used to add the correct radius..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204732.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204734.jpg
Then the flange bend line is marked/thinned using a tipping die in the Lennox like we did for the inner panels we made..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204253.jpg
Then a tipping die and Skateboard wheel in the bead roller is used to make the initial fold on the marked line
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Metalworking/Picture1081.jpg
and finished up with a Step die so we could use it as a backstop
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/1947%20Studebaker%20M5/Picture059.jpg
The Erco 1447 with stretcher dies was used to stretch the flange in between tipping sessions. All done, matches the fender contour, we'll get the other side folded down next time..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204736.jpg
Here's a quick video to show how the radius for the filler panel was done..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnCTqLZg9lg
With the flanges turned both directions....
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204737.jpg
Looking at the rear of the fender that was adjacent to the cab, we found flat areas that seem to indicate some rubbing was occurring. So while we were fabricating the filler panel, we added about 1/8" to shove the fender outward away from the cab.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204738.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204739.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204740.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204741.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204742.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mZTMi3VMr4
Some more work on the Biederman fenders..
A paper pattern was taken from the front of the fender to use as a guide to cut out the new piece from 16 ga cold rolled steel.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204746.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204747.jpg
Some 19 gauge was hemmed flat and the Erco kick shrinker used to make profile templates for the horizontal and vertical directions..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204749.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204750.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204751.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204752.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204753.jpg
The initial shape was added with a blocking hammer and shot bag, and finished on the Wheeling Machine..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204757.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204756.jpg
Getting close....
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204754.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204755.jpg
This video shows the progress so far, as well as the rust on the leading edge we're repairing..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc4hdatz-hE
Fender filler panel Number 2 is complete..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uvnvZTTEbs
Fender patch is getting closer...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/image.jpeg
Final tweaks ..... clamped and marked with a scribe..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204758.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204759.jpg
Trimming out the rust...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204760.jpg
14 ga rated Milwaukee shear walks right through...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204761.jpg
Trimming around the wired edging, careful not to nick it. The wrapped sheet metal is opened slightly using the door skin pliers..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204762.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204763.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204764.jpg
With the sheet metal loosened from the wire, a slight twist will break the sheet metal at the score even not having cut through to the wire.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204765.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204766.jpg
This outer section will become a template for the radius on the new patch.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204767.jpg
Trimmed....
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204768.jpg
Fitted....
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204769.jpg
Saturday Kyle will get the old metal media blasted next to the weld seam so we can fire up the TIG welder..
chevynut
09-08-2016, 07:28 PM
Nice work Robert. The underside still looks pretty pitted to me, is it all like that? Why is that patch so shiny? Looks almost like polished stainless.
That's the finish that polished wheels on the wheeling machine leave on the panel. They are 16 gauge cold rolled steel..
Time to break out the TIG welder. The new stumps for the upcoming metalshaping class work well as a welding table. The patch is securely clamped from inside to outside to get an accurate marking for tipping the fold around the wire.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Biederman%20003.jpg
Flexible Spline is used to carry the opening mark down the patch...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Biederman%20002.jpg
Tacked in with the TIG
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Biederman%20005.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Biederman%20004.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Biederman%20006.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Biederman%20008.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Biederman%20010.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Biederman%20012.jpg
Next we'll wrap the wire and trim the front edge to size.
The shop is hosting another Peter Tommasini class this year, one of the items to pass out to the attendees will be some of the rare earth magnets that we use. I just got my delivery in yesterday, these are Cup-26 magnets (http://appliedmagnets.com/cup-magnets-65-lbs-strong-neodymium-1-inch-p-508.html) from Applied Magnets, they have a 65 lb pull. We use them for holding paper patterns to wheel wells during test fit to copper strip for welding backer..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Metalworking/IMG_1760.jpg
We install a csk 10-32 and lock nut to act as a handle, and they are ready to use...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Metalworking/Picture%203240.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/1955%20Chevy%20Wagon%20Restoration%20Album%205/Picture%204863.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Metalworking/IMG_1761.jpg
John has been assembling parts of the Biederman truck front end while waiting for the fender completion. He mocked up the hood the other day only to find out it didn't fit the cab as it should.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_1753.jpg
It looks like the cab is wider than the hood, as the radius does not match and it's pushing the hood outward and up....
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_1747.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_1748.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_1755.jpg
To explain, this is a 1947 truck that had extensive rust in the cab. He found a cab on a newer truck, 1951 IIRC, that was made by the same company. It now appears the newer replacement cab is slightly wider than the original, so our intended option is to cut a slice from back to almost the front and add a pie slice to push the radius out and the beltline down where it belongs. Looks like an easier option than remaking the hood. Something else to add to the list. Just to make sure the wider cab doesn't affect fender fitment, we also mocked up the lower hood side and clamped the tapered filler panels and took a comparison measurement from the outside edges, front and back.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_1756.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_1757.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_1758.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_1759.jpg
So we have just shy of 3/8 more in the back, or 3/16 pushed outward on each side. I think we can live with that, it likely is well within factory tolerance.. More to come..
Well, I need to make a little progress on a 16 gauge fender, so the highly precise stand for the Laser Level was used. We have about 13-3/4" difference in height from back edge of fender to front edge. So Laser is set at 13-3/4 above the table, with heights verified to all four corners of the table.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_2327.jpg
Prior to trimming the front of the fender we had measured some reference marks to the front edge for locating the new cut line..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Picture%204760.jpg
Adding those lower edge marks back on our fender patch, we adjusted the height of the fender front for the laser to match those marks by sliding our jack stand fixture around inside the fender until we had the correct height. Hey, this is technical stuff!
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_2329.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_2332.jpg
And traced the laser mark with the sharpie...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_2334.jpg
Initial cut to remove the bulk was done with the Milwaukee shear, the final was done with Midwest Shears. I figured slower = more precise...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_2337.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_2338.jpg
Doing a test fit of the Biederman fender....
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_2341.jpg
Was going to do a little bit of touch up on the front weld seam, needs more shape..
The fender spans about 53" at the bottom, where it wouldn't fit in the wheeling machine sitting on the floor. We added a lift kit under the legs, except for one which needed to be open under the leg..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_2346.jpg
in process....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvsAkBLlG2o
Needed to wrap the wire edge....
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_2351.jpg
Note the genuine John Deere anvil...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_2352.jpg
The flange was hammered over using various hammers and dollies (anvils) with the final wrap tightened up with a pair of vise grips modified with smooth jaws...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_2355.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_2356.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_2357.jpg
chevynut
02-08-2017, 08:37 PM
Those are some nasty looking vise grips! Looks like a fish I saw in the ocean. ;)
The chrome is still there, it's mainly just peeling paint..... :D
The teeth on the jaw was just about worn down, so they were ideal candidate for a vise grip mod....
The rear flange for the Biederman fender is cut out of some 12 gauge steel and tacked in place..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_2385.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_2386.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_2388.jpg
This flange bolts to the front of the running board..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_2389.jpg
The front mounting flange is cut out of 12 gauge steel and tacked in place..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_2391.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_2392.jpg
This flange bolts to the filler panel behind the front bumper.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_2393.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_2395.jpg
With them tacked in place, we'll do one more test fit and then finish the welds.
567chevys
02-16-2017, 08:09 PM
Thank you Robert for taking the time to Contribute this stuff to trifivechevys ,
Also Very Nice work !!!
Thanks Sid
Thanks Sid!
Test fit the Biederman front fender to insure we had no clearance issues..
Rear flange to running board:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_2396.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_2397.jpg
Front flange to bumper filler panel:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_2400.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_2401.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_2403.jpg
Looks like we're ready to finish welding...
The flanges were TIG welded in place, welds dressed, and then worked to remove the remnants of the old filler panel. The old spot welds were removed using a cut off wheel in a die grinder. When the upper panel gets thin, the heat turns it blue. When you see shiny metal again, you have found the second layer, so stop grinding!
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_2411.jpg
This video explains the process a bit better...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb49MgRPzvY
Next to clean all the rust that was hiding between the layers. A tight squeeze!
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_2412.jpg
The filler panel we fabricated was positioned, and drilled for some 1/8" cleco's. Then another test fit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evBQvi5dsnw
markm
02-21-2017, 07:00 AM
Very cool old truck What does it have for a drivetrain.
I believe it's a flat head continental?? 6 banger. Stand back, right? :D
markm
02-21-2017, 09:26 AM
I believe it's a flat head continental?? 6 banger. Stand back, right? :D
A really big gas one, my other thought was a Hercules or Detroit oil burner. I think these old road tractors are cool.
I think you are correct on the Hercules, based on some online pic comparison. I'll double check next time I'm by John's shop..
markm
02-21-2017, 11:50 AM
I saw a wrecker on net had an Hercules HXD gas 6 with 855CI, that's not your typical 6 banger. Mileage was 3 mpg, not as bad as I thought it could be.
Been away for a bit across the pond, finally back to some metal work.
Had a fenderless trailer showed up at the shop Wednesday night, needed some welding... Good time as any to try out the new clamps. Two held the fender nice and tight to the frame.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Metalworking/IMG_3115.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Metalworking/IMG_3116.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Metalworking/IMG_3117.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Metalworking/IMG_3119.jpg
Last night we worked on the fender patch #2 for the Biederman truck, 16 gauge fun!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXjlD8U_Z-Q&feature=youtu.be
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3123.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3124.jpg
Missed the in process pictures, I'll try and do better next time..
markm
05-12-2017, 09:22 AM
Question I always try to mount trailer fenders at a height I can open the door on a stock ride height Camaro. Usually involves trimming on bottom edges and they end up about 9 inches off trailer deck. These look higher maybe it does not hatter for this trailers use. Yes, even my drag only Camaro with a total mismatch of springs is close to a stock ride height.
We pulled them up where they matched the angle brackets that held the originals. He only uses this for motorcycles.. But yeah, if it were mine it would definitely be set at door clearance height.
Some more progress on the Biederman fenders, here's where we left off last
time...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3124.jpg
On the passenger fender, we removed the cleco's holding the filler panel and
John (the owner) media blasted the flanges where the panels overlapped..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3446.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3447.jpg
Cleco holes were enlarged on the filler panel flange to accommodate plug
welds and the two parts welded together...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3450.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3451.jpg
After grinding the welds, John brushed some SPI epoxy in the lapped panels to
seal them up..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3452.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3453.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3454.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3455.jpg
Back on the driver's fender, time to trim off the rusted and bent front
edge....
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3456.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3457.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3458.jpg
The door skin removal tool is used to unwrap the wired edge...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3461.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3460.jpg
Once the wrap is broken free, the top is scored with a cutoff wheel and then
peeled around. No cuts on the wire as this may weaken it..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3462.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3464.jpg
Trimmed and clamped in place for a test fit..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3470.jpg
chevynut
06-08-2017, 01:29 PM
Robert, what are the lines on the fender for that say "16"?
Measures to the bottom of the front edge before it was cut off in three different directions so you can duplicate front edge location after welding on the new piece. The first one used 14, wasn't as much cut off of that one...
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This evening we took the passenger fender over to John's so we could mock it up on the truck and locate/cleco it to the lower hood side..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3474.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3473.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3476.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3478.jpg
The wing nut cleco's used in about four spots to hold things good and snug....
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3480.jpg
Back at the shop, we'll get this plug welded on Saturday..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3481.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3484.jpg
tried to make some headway on the Biederman. John is taking it to the truck show in Macungie PA so we're trying to get the fenders complete so he can bolt them on and answer questions all day about their bare finish..
With the lower hood side cleco'ed to the passenger fender using wing nut clecos to pull things up nice and tight, lets get some plug welds done to join all three parts together...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3501.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3502.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3510.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3515.jpg
Passenger fender lapped seams then had SPI epoxy brushed in from both sides to seal in case he runs into rain. We he returns they'll be ready for media blasting and paint..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3525.jpg
Next onto the Driver fender, the remainder of the flange from the old filler panel is removed, a cut off wheel is used for releasing the OEM spot welds..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3517.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3518.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3520.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3521.jpg
Next, we had a rub issue where the fender was a bit close to the cab....note the flat area, as well as a rust through. So we'll just trim this out and replace..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3523.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3524.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3526.jpg
Today I finished up the TIG welding on the rust repair...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3530.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3532.jpg
This area has a recess so it doesn't rub the side of the cab...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3533.jpg
Next to clamp the front repair section, the vise grips tend to rotate after clamped and allow the weld joint to open. So to fix the gravity issue, we broke out the painters tape..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3534.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3536.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3537.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3540.jpg
16 gauge sheet metal wiring, gotta love it!
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3542.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3543.jpg
Next time we'll get the filler panel added to the Driver's fender..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3546.jpg
This evening's progress, the bolting flanges were cut out of 12 gauge steel, and tacked in place using the TIG. Then welded and dressed..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3547.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3548.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3549.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3551.jpg
Next to trim the front of the fender, a laser is set up 13-3/4" above the table holding the fender. This is the differential we measured off the truck from the bumper filler panel down to the running board. all four corners on the table are checked to insure the laser is set correctly. Then the laser line is transposed to the fender and trimmed..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3553.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3555.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3554.jpg
The height was adjusted by sliding the blocks forward/backward in the fender.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3556.jpg
Front mounting flange TIG welded in place and welds dressed..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3560.jpg
Filler panel fitted to the fender and plug welded...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3561.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3564.jpg
Test fit onto the truck, aligned to the lower hood side and cleco'ed in place.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3566.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3568.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3570.jpg
We'll get the lower hood side welded on tomorrow evening, holes drilled, and fenders bolted up to the truck.
Tonight we got the lower hood side plug welded to the driver's fender, then the lapped seams were brushed with SPI epoxy primer from both sides to seal out the elements. John will be taking this to a couple shows with the fenders in bare metal, so we needed to seal those areas.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3572.jpg
With the fenders all one piece again, we took them to John's shop for re-assembly. First order of business is to add some welting to the fender area adjacent to the cab's lower cowl area...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3573.jpg
..then bolted up the fenders and battery tray.. This should give John a head start on the finishing touches tomorrow before loading it up for the Macungie Truck show.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3577.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3578.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3579.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3580.jpg
chevynut
06-13-2017, 10:08 PM
Nice work Robert, and pretty cool old truck!
Thanks Laszlo, still have the hood to fabricate, but we'll let the dust settle for a bit....
John got the Biederman out into the sunshine Wednesday after a long
hibernation, getting it ready to take to the truck show in Macungie PA.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3587.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3586.jpg
Loaded up and ready to go....
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3583.jpg
Today's pictures from the show, the Biederman makes its debut. Still needs a
bit more paint on the front end, but John said he's had a ton of interest in the
truck and the bodywork Guess I should have sent him up with business cards.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3589.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3590.jpg
Rustaddict
06-19-2017, 04:53 PM
I realize some of the cause is camera angle, but it sure does look small compared to the Red Mule doesn't it ?
It does, but those Biederman fenders were plenty big running them through the English wheel! :D
Stopped by John's shop today, he had dropped off the front fenders to his
painter after the Macungie show for media blasting and a epoxy primer to protect
them until we can get the hood resolved. Then he'll get all the new parts
painted blue at one time...
Here's the newly installed fenders with an epoxy finish..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3994.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_3996.jpg
WagonCrazy
07-31-2017, 08:49 AM
What a great truck that's turning into...
Nice work Robert.
And thanks (again) for posting your progress and the short videos of your work in action.
Learning a lot from that!
Today we started fabricating the new hood for the Biederman truck. During restoration John had bought a replacement cab with less rust issues that was a couple years newer, and unfortunately slightly wider as well. Since the original hood did not sit down where the bead details aligned, we're going to fabricate a new one that will fit correctly.
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Doesn't look like these are going to fit either. Me and dominoes..
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Hood is removed and a paper pattern taken for starting point of the new one. Slight bit more material will be added for good measure..
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pattern laid out on 16 gauge cold rolled steel.
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A straight edge finds the start of the radius on either side, marked with tape, and measure to find the center of the radius. Then the radius center and widths get marked onto the new panel.
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Both sides formed, ready for trimming..
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Video version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBiwtrWioFs
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Florida 57
04-20-2018, 07:42 PM
As always, nice work Robert.Sort of reminded me of the old Italian guy that appeared from time to time on Boyd Coddington`s show and helped build the ALUMACAR and others. True talent you guys. I make shoes!
Thanks!
More progress on Biederman hood, the butterfly hinge parts were removed from the old hood, and the piano hinge that attaches the hood sides was removed.
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Piano hinge is actually part of original hood, hemmed at the lower edge. Sanding through the hemmed edge releases the hinge..
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....and any spot welds were removed by grinding through the hood side to save the hinge..
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This tool was designed and given to me by Clint Button (Carolina Sculpture Studio) at the recent metalshaping workshop I attended in Rock Hill. Worked well to mark the rear edge...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnRl2RsreNA
Clamping and plug welding the butterfly hinges to the hood.
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Hood trimmed and gapped.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNXVuMiyhPw
....and our next task will be to TIG weld the piano hinges to the trimmed lower edge of the hood, these hinges attach the hood side panels..
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Progress through today, TIG welding up the hinges onto the new hoods..
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Some SPI epoxy is mixed and brushed on, allowing it to seep between the welded parts and seal things up..
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As the dominoes continued falling, the hood sides did not fit either. It was our initial plan to cut off the hinge from the top, wire edge from the bottom, and add a new center section, all parts cut to fit properly and welded back together. When we stripped paint off the lower wire edged part, we saw a bit too much pitting, rust, etc. that we opted to change to a full new lower section under the hinge. Nothing to wire edging 16 gauge, right?
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So we whipped up a set of dies to add the joggle needed for the external wiring, using 3/16 solid rod for the wiring..
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Practice sample:
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With that complete, we tipped the lower edge to run through the joggle die..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POa_yIyH3JU
The wiring and inside of the joggle were both degreased, scuffed, and SPI epoxy added prior to folding the remainder..
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Vise grips modified so they wouldn't slip off the wiring..
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Wiring locked in place with some hammer action...
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Hood side is tacked to the hinge, mocked to the hood, and trimmed for gaps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH2H3nR4AOc
It's not done, but that's all for today, we're packing it up for the car show in Leonardtown tomorrow.
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Tonight we did the wired edge on the Biederman truck's drivers hood side, so we did a couple videos of the process. We did a practice sample to make sure our adjustment on the folded flange length gave us a good wrap with a slight gap for paint..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b6TiuiUQQQ
This shows the basic process of closing the wrap, wasn't as pretty as it should have been, but hey, this is practice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNc9WJ3SmYA
For the hood side, we used the tipping wheel in the Fasti swaging machine (bead roller) to add the flange. After running through the Lennox for adding the joggle, the panel was scrubbed with a warm dish soap and water mix using scotchbrite, then scuffed with 220 paper, then SPI epoxy added in the channel. After our 3/16 wire was laid in place, any remaining bare spots on the wire were also brushed with epoxy. The entire length was then closed as per the practice sample. We'll let that set a day or so and get the recycled hinge welded to the top.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiNrkZ7pslg
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Finishing up on the Biederman hood fabrications today.. That's what I told myself anyhow...
Getting the OEM hood hinge welded to the new hood side..
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Factory version had spot welded angles on the inside to bolt side emblems to, we'll see if we can improve by eliminating a rust trap...
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This should do..... Vise mounted jigsaw with optional pony clamp cruise control Don't try this at home..
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Video Version:
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56Safari
05-05-2018, 09:18 PM
Wow, excellent work on Biederman truck! I've been following your work for a while, and as always it's inspiring and top notch. I just wanted to say thank you for taking the time to share this with everyone.
markm
05-06-2018, 09:35 AM
Beautiful truck, looks better than new.
chevynut
05-06-2018, 05:14 PM
Awesome job Robert. I hope you're getting compensated superbly for your skills! :)
Thanks for all the kind words fellas, the 16 gauge was definitely a challenge, good to see my portion complete. Laszlo, it does pay better than block sanding paint :D
If anyone local to Lexington KY would like to see it in person, this truck will be at the ATHS 2018 Convention in Lexington Ky, May 31 to June 2nd. I'm told it will be inside the building..
Rustaddict
05-08-2018, 04:10 AM
Wow, excellent work on Biederman truck! I've been following your work for a while, and as always it's inspiring and top notch. I just wanted to say thank you for taking the time to share this with everyone.
I second that. I don't have a shop and my tools are nowhere as cool as yours but I still manage to pick up things that I can use at home by watching your work.
Glad the posts help out, thanks for following the progress.
John sent me a picture today, he picked up the front fenders from his painter and got them installed. He hopes to get the hood parts tomorrow.
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BeachGirl55
05-25-2018, 08:57 PM
just think Robert , in 50 years someone will find this truck and go to restore it and wonder why it was built so much better than the rest of them lol, great work as always, now post some up date pics of the 55 :)
Thanks BG. The new engine for the 55 will be here this week, will update thread then.
WagonCrazy
05-27-2018, 03:01 PM
That truck looks fantastic! Great job on the hood and fenders Robert. Thumbs up.
55 Tony
05-28-2018, 07:46 AM
It's one thing to have access to all those tools, but a whole other thing to know how to use them. Great work, you obviously know what you are doing.
Thanks for the comments everyone, It was a nice challenge to bring the final pieces of the puzzle together, especially for a truck that John couldn't find replacement body panels. I even put him to work a few times when push came to shove!
Here's the Biederman at the show in Lexington KY last week for the 2018 ATHS Convention.
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NickP
06-07-2018, 12:34 PM
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
markm
06-08-2018, 07:05 AM
Beautiful truck, it is interesting to me how little trucks changed in style for many years after this one.
An update on the Biederman truck, John came across a donor truck with an authentic 1947 Galion dump body, which matches his 47 Biederman perfectly.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Biederman%2000.jpg
It needed some repair work on it but it was a good one to start with. He took it to a local shop and had the tailgate rebuilt, added a cab guard and replaced the floor. It will show a few authentic dents when finished but he says he prefers that to a new edition body on an old truck.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Biederman%2002.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Biederman%2001.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Biederman%2003.jpg
These next pictures really show why we need to add the skirt between the cab and running board.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Biederman%2005.png
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/Biederman%2006.jpg
The skirt will rest on top of the running board flange, with a rubber edge trim to save some paint rubbing. Here's our sample bend that will rest on top of the flange. (it's shown upside-down...)
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/img_3292.jpg
The dump body and other remaining parts will be also be painted blue, he plans to paint this spring.
Been tripping over the 8’ linear slide on the Lennox for the past couple months, time to knock out these Biederman skirts so we can break the linear slide down. This will likely be the last Metalshaping done on this machine before it goes out the door and the replacement comes in.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_4312.jpg
These two bends were done in the magnetic brake, the final fold for the U-shape is done in the Lennox using these dies..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_4320.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_4311.jpg
Comparison
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_4313.jpg
Here's the folding process...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwpJmjKVXUw&feature=youtu.be
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_4321.jpg
Next we took them to a local machine shop, Triton Defense, to hem the U-shape. They used a knife blade in the press brake.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_4324.jpg
The only thing left for these is to fold the top flange for bolting to the underside of the cab, fit, and paint.
John stopped by the shop last night so we could fit up the running board skirts on the Biederman.
https://oi5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_4669.jpg
I know he will be glad to close off this gaping hole.
https://oi5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_4670.jpg
After taking some measurements we got the top flange folded over using the magnetic brake. The flange will be bolted to the underside of the cab to support the weight as we will leave about a 1/4" or so gap above the running board to allow for frame flex.
https://oi5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_4675.jpg
https://oi5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_4678.jpg
https://oi5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_4677.jpg
Rivet Nuts installed under the cab...
https://oi5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_4681.jpg
https://oi5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_4684.jpg
The rubber edge trim is our attempt to keep the paint from rubbing off, and these are held in place using weatherstrip adhesive.
https://oi5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_4687.jpg
The dump bed had been painted over when John bought it, but closer inspection showed where some additional layers of paint in the hand painted lettering, "Phone 60" had staved off surface rust in it's previous life and was still visible...
https://oi5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_4673.jpg
To finish off the running board skirts, some epoxy primer was brushed into the hem fold, given a couple days to cure, and then seam sealer added to keep out the moisture..
https://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_4832.jpg
https://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_4834.jpg
https://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_4835.jpg
….then another dose of epoxy over the seam sealer, and everything primed.
https://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_4841.jpg
https://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_4843.jpg
https://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_4877.jpg
I didn't get pictures of spraying the blue, so the finals will have to do. John is tying up the loose ends, the running board skirts were installed the other night.....
https://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_5071.jpg
https://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_5062.jpg
https://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_5065.jpg
The dump body has been painted and he should get that installed today or tomorrow.
https://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_5084.jpg
https://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_5085.jpg
He will get it loaded up around Wednesday for the trip to Macungie PA for the truck show this coming weekend.
NickP
06-11-2019, 07:46 PM
that's purty
markm
06-12-2019, 06:34 AM
No 1946 dump truck ever looked so good.
Thanks for the comments guys.
John has the Biederman loaded up and is headed up to Macungie PA today for the truck show this weekend.
https://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_5157.jpg
This is the "tow" vehicle with Ian Watson, who is visiting from Melbourne Australia.
https://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/IMG_5158a.jpg
Anyone going to the Macungie show this weekend, stop by and check out the Biederman, a pretty rare truck..
Rustaddict
06-14-2019, 04:39 PM
Is it a 1946 model ?
chevynut
06-14-2019, 05:04 PM
Is it a 1946 model ?
Thread: 1947 Biederman Truck Fender Repairs (http://www.trifivechevys.com/showthread.php/4454-1947-Biederman-Truck-Fender-Repairs/page4) :geek:
Some pics from the Macungie show, photo credit Pat66, Stovebolter
https://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/2019Macungie.jpg
https://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/2019Macungie2.jpg
markm
06-20-2019, 08:36 AM
Some pics from the Macungie show, photo credit Pat66, Stovebolter
https://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/2019Macungie.jpg
https://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/rmccartney/Johns%20Biederman/2019Macungie2.jpg
The truck pulling is as cool as one being towed.
567chevys
06-20-2019, 08:57 PM
Sweet Ass Truck, Great Job Robert & Crew
Sid
Thanks guys! Mark, we just put a polished sun visor on that cabover truck this weekend. Had to use scaffolding :D
The Biederman truck we did some rust repairs and metal fabrication on found its way onto the cover of the latest issue of Wheels of Time. It has a feature article on the restoration John did on the truck, as well as a follow up article on the company history. Pretty neat to read, honored to have played a small part in helping preserve an example of this rare truck for future generations.
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/y167/rmccartney/18/WOT%20Cover%20Page_Page_01.jpg
Before:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/y167/rmccartney/18/Biederman_before.png
After:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/y167/rmccartney/18/Biederman_after.jpg
Photo credit: ATHS Wheels of Time
BamaNomad
03-12-2020, 07:22 AM
Neat truck with some great work by Robert! It's always good to get some positive recognition!~ Congrats Robert!
WagonCrazy
03-12-2020, 07:28 AM
Congratulatons Robert! You had a hand in that resto, and I'm sure the owner has given you much credit for your part. We are fortunate that you will take the time to document your work and post it for all to see. Thank you. That's some serious old truck porn right there. :p
Belair-o
03-13-2020, 06:50 AM
Congratulatons Robert! You had a hand in that resto, and I'm sure the owner has given you much credit for your part. We are fortunate that you will take the time to document your work and post it for all to see. Thank you. That's some serious old truck porn right there. :p
Robert,
I totally agree with that comment. Really appreciate your skills, innovation, results, and your willingness to share that with us!
You even got me looking at big old trucks, and for a while, I thought this local truck might be a Biederman, but is an International Harvester.
10493
Thanks, Doug
Thanks for all the feedback guys. Funny, at one point (think we were working on fenders) I asked John what he was thinking in buying a truck that needed so much rust repair and no parts trucks to be found anywhere. He just shrugged his shoulders and said, here we are. It was a nice challenge to help save this truck that future generations might see this part of the history of Biederman Trucks. I would guess this is going in a truck/transportation museum somewhere before it's all said and done.
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