From: BOB FORD [BOB_FORD@compuserve.com]
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 7:29 AM
To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com
Subject: 57-56-55 CHEVY LIST
THIS IS THE 57-56-55 CHEVY LIST
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BOB FORD
EDITOR
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:mears@up2me.com, INTERNET:mears@up2me.com
Hay Bob,
I converted my brakes to silicone. First remove all rubber components, then
flush the entire system with alcohol to rid it of any trace of old fluid,
(they don't mix!) blowing it out with compressed air and replacing ALL
rubber parts. It works fine now. Be sure to write 'silicone fluid' on the
master cylinder so no one tops it off with Dot 3 or you'll be doing the
whole process again...
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: "Kenneth L Ogle", INTERNET:kenneth.ogle@gte.net
Bob, this is for Ken Long. Purolator makes an filter element that fits my
57 air cleaner. The number is 'A42318'. I'm sure there are others that
make a replacement also. Thanks Bob, keep up the good work and, as always,
remember 'GOD is Love', Ken
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:rixrex@ddc.net, INTERNET:rixrex@ddc.net
Hello...Bob, the same lame brained engineer that deleted drain
plugs off
transmissions probably also deleted the handy drain plugs off gas tanks. He
probably also is the one that deleted the little carry loops off of
mattresses, although that may be some conspiracy perpetrated by
chiropractors.
Hey everybody..I would like to trade a brand-new complete lt.green and
white upholstery kit for a two-door 56 Chevy for same type of kit for a 55
4D SW any color as I haven't decided on color yet(although I am leaning
towards pink and gray)....I have several 55-57 parts cars if anybody is
interested, recently got a 57 4D hardtop with an extra set of 56 4D hardtop
doors.....Rick
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET
ERION57@aol.com, INTERNETERION57@aol.com
Hi Bob, The reason there is no drain plug on automatic transmissions is so
you are forced to open it up and change the filter.
Mike
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:Slgraves56@aol.com, INTERNET:Slgraves56@aol.com
Bob,
I still have my 1956 265 c.i. two barrel V-8 for sale. It was running well
when we removed it from the car. It has original exhaust manifolds, oil
bath
air cleaner, generator, starter, etc. I would like to get $450 for it plus
shipping. I also have the front spindles with brakes and drums from the '56
-good shape for $65 for both plus shipping. The steering column is
available
too. It was a three speed standard. Most parts for the shifting mechanism
go
with it for $50. I am in Kansas City, Missouri at (816) 734-8822.
Thanks,
Steve
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To: BOB FORD, BOB_FORD
From: WOLFGANG KUPKA, INTERNET:wolfgangv@earthlink.net
I'm interest in joining, i just bought 1957 bel air convertible. and i do
need
some help.
first on the list is a conv. top switch, any help. i can get one for $350
in
very good condition. is that a good price?
thanks, wolf
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To: BOB FORD, BOB_FORD
From: Bill Owens, INTERNET:bowens@midsouth.rr.com
Bob,
I want to thank you, John, Steve, Mike and all the rest for responding
to my request for engine stamping codes. I checked Mortec and Chevymania
and both had full listings. At one time I had an address that listed
both codes and suffix codes and I think it was something like Alltel but
it will not come up npw. If anyone has a listing for suffix numbers
which appear on the front right bank of the engine, please let me know.
I realize the engine stamping code on the rear of the engine is much
more reliable, but I am still interested in the suffix codes also.
Thanks again,
Bill Owens
Bartlett, TN 38134
bowens@midsouth.rr.com
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To: BOB FORD, BOB_FORD
From: Bill Kautz, INTERNET:kautz@home.com
Hi Bob,
I know what you mean about recommending someone to do work. Lisa's
problems are much like mine with my '55 210. I had my '64 Catalina and
my '85 Dodge van painted at a local shop. They did a beautiful job on
both. Two other people in my club had their cars, (a '41 Chev and a '67
Galaxy-frame-off), done there. They were very happy with the work. Even
my sister-in-law, who's very hard to please, was happy with their work.
When they did my '55 the driver's door came out a different shade
than the rest of the car. Even with the electronic paint matching system
they couldn't get it quite right. They ended up painting the whole car
again.
A few months ago I backed the car out of the garage to do some work
under the dash. A small tree limb fell on the right front fender leaving
a spot the size of a quarter right down to bare metal. There was also a
very small ding in the driver's door from a careless spectator at a car
show. I have a two-toned car again! Their electronic paint matcher must
be a piece of junk and I told the owner as much. He agreed to paint the
car over, (this time I'm going for a blue body with a pearl white top),
for his cost. The shop has always been one of the better ones in the
Baltimore area for a good paint job, and I'm going to let them do the
'55 again because it will not cost too much this time. However, if the
car doesn't meet my expectations, they won't get any more
recommendations from me. Just like anything else, Caveat emptor! Wild
Bill
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:Lovemy56@aol.com, INTERNET:Lovemy56@aol.com
<< Thanks for the email Wild Bill. I'm glad to see that it's not just
females who get the run around.....
Happy Easter everyone!
Lisa >>
Lisa, females are DEFINITELY not the only ones to get the run around!!!!!
I've had the run around so many times with so many different auto repair
shops, etc, many times I have felt like a Rabbit at a Dog Track!!!!!!!!
Richard
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: "Marilyn", INTERNET:Marilyn@netins.net
Hi Bob, just wanted to talk to my fellow chevy fans today. I needed a left
hand door for my 57 2dr hardtop, and found a classified ad in my magazine
from classic chevy international. I called the guy, who by the way lives in
Wis. Rapids, WI and he said he had one left which was very nice. We talked
a while about the door, and believing him , I sent him 550.00 for the door.
I received it today and what a disappointment!! My body guy said it will
take more to fix that door than the one I have on the car. It had been
reskined at a point in time, what a lousy job. I called the guy back and he
denies it had a skin put in on it, and hung up. The freight was 118.00, so
now I have 668.00 in a door that is no better than what I have. Just a good
reminder for you guys selling parts out there, tell your buyer what the
part is really like, and maybe he will buy again from you. Live and learn I
guess. I really think that if you buy a part from someone that has a
classic, they will probably be honest. There is so many guys out there
getting parts from wherever, and pushing them any way they can. Well,
enough of my bad luck today. Keep up the good work Bob!!! Roger in Iowa.
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:GremlinGTs@aol.com, INTERNET:GremlinGTs@aol.com
Ok, fellows, here's an apparently rare? car, a '57 sedan delivery with
glass, rather than steel panels in the back. Did GM ever make such an
animal?
Would it be possible to have the Delivery Model number on the cowl tag that
would authenticate this car? Anyway, this came off my Oletrucks email
List,so
I'll send it along to the Tri-Five list if anyone's interested. The party
to
contact is VIKINGHILL@aol.com. I know nothing about this car, but sounds
interesting, I suppose. Well, that's all for me, I'm going back to bed to
get
over this sinus infection. Here 'tis!
Jerry
Woodbridge, VA
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>From : VIKINGHILL@aol.com
To: oletrucks@autox.team.net ( truck list , covers 47-59 Chevy/GM's )
Hi all,
I work with this guy and he is a big wig here at work.
He has a 1957 sedan delivery, he said that it was rare because it has the
glass panels on the side and not the metal, it looks like a 2dr. station
wagon
with a sedan delivery rear. This car has had been media blasted and all
the body parts replaced that were bad, it has a light coating of rust from
sitting in the humid air here in Ga. The car is setting on a rotissery at
his
shop, He has all the parts except the engine and the trannie. He has 2
extra
1957 frames and rears, he has a bunch of parts from his last resto, a 1957
bellair convertible that he sold, and a 1957 parts car. He said that he
has
two of every thing (steering wheels/columns, (both auto and standard), as
well as dash pieces and other misc. pieces. The price is a mere $6,200 (
he
might go down a little, but I don't know.) The car is obviously not
drivable
and would need to be picked up, (Dalton, Ga. - 25 miles south of
Chattanooga,
Tn. Right on Interstate 75.) If anyone is interested give me a buzz and I
might be able to get you some photo's with my digital camera.
It sounds good, and he has no reason to lie, I work with him quite often.
Thanks in ADvance,
Casey
-47 thriftmaster
-pilgram to the deprived, (ie, working on a mustang)
oletrucks is devoted to Chevy and GM trucks built between 1941 and 1959
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:JHCHEVYPARTS@aol.com, INTERNET:JHCHEVYPARTS@aol.com
Bob: Thanks for the great job that you do for the rest of us Chevy guys. I
look forward to receiving it each week.
To Tom Garrett, Re your powerglide burping. This problem has been around
forever and is no reason to get rid of an operating transmission. There is
a
check valve available that goes, I think, into one of the cooling lines
which
will cure the problem. Classic Chevy did an article years ago describing
the
fix and should have the part as well as any "good" transmission shop. Good
luck
If anyone is installing a 4 speed behind a 400 small block, the casting
number on the GM flywheel is 3978457. It is still available from GM for
about $192.00 list, but I have found two in recent weeks, used.
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To: "'Bob_Ford@compuserve.com'", Bob_Ford
From: "Glassoff, Marc", INTERNET:GlassoffMA@navair.navy.mil
Hi Bob-
In response to the 57 powerglide that burps transmission fluid, I have a
similar problem in my 56. It seems to lose fluid out the filler tube on a
random basis, just sitting in the garage...especially in the summer. I
have never actually seen the fluid burp out, there is just a puddle on the
floor by the filler tube. This is an original car with 107,000 miles that I
am restoring. It runs fine and shifts perfectly. It's a 6 cylinder. While
I'm at it, what's the consensus on what to do about blow by out the draft
tube and oil filler cap. I know the standard answer is to redo the whole
engine, but it runs great and purrs like a kitten so why tear it all down?
I've seen hoses that route the fumes back to the intake manifold and was
wondering how they affect the running of the car. I welcome your
responses.
Marc Glassoff
Escondido, CA
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:Marty28447@aol.com, INTERNET:Marty28447@aol.com
In a message dated 04/26/2000 7:46:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
BOB_FORD@compuserve.com writes:
<< mhrreast@juno.com >>
Ted,
Every parts store I have ever bought brake parts & fluid from seems to
want me to change to silicone fluid, I have always declined as I keep my
car
original. Now after reading about your problems I know why, they want to
sell
more parts!!! I suggest you stay away from the silicone unless you
completely replace all brake components and if you change back to the dot 3
fluid make sure you really flush the whole brake system including the brake
lines. Mixing dot 3 and silicone will cause the brake fluid to gum up and
clog the system.
Kim
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:Marty28447@aol.com, INTERNET:Marty28447@aol.com
<< Low55chev@aol.com >>
Steve,
Thanks, I would like to know who you have rebuild your engines as I know
I
will need a professional to do alot of things, But I do want to do some of
the work myself as There is a lot I want to learn. This engine/transmission
only cost me $100.00 so if I mess things up I'm not out alot of money.
Kim
PS - See ya at NHRA tonight
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To: [unknown], Bob_Ford
From: INTERNET:Sjrwonder@aol.com, INTERNET:Sjrwonder@aol.com
Bob
The way it was explained to me, automatic transmissions do not have a
drain
plug because it is important to change the filter every time you change the
fluid, so you are forced to remove the whole pan.
If there was a plug, the filter would stay in forever. There would be a lot
more warrantee disagreements.
I have a question for the list, why aren't the original 49-53 GM Hydramatic
transmissions popular anymore?. During the 60's all the racers that could
afford the 4-speed Hydramatic (B&M Hydro-sticks) bought them. They , unlike
the modern GM 4-speed automatics , like the 700r4 & the others, had a close
ratio set of gears , 4th gear was not a overdrive.
The B&M Hydro-stick was the thing to die for in the early 60's. I can still
hear those 40's Willys going through the gears , in my head!. Maybe the
Lenco
was the nail in their coffin?
Steve Roth
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To: [unknown], INTERNET:cgishere2@home.com
CC: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: Donna, INTERNET:Fiftiesforever@webtv.net
Clint,
Yes, we do have front and rear bumpers for your 57. Front 5pc is $449,
rear bumper center is $165, and rear bumper ends are $239pr. All are
triple plated with no exchange of your old cores. They are beautiful! We
also have 55-56 front and rear 3pc. bumpers for $269 per set. Thanks for
your interest. We have all in stock. We ship UPS and only charge actual
shipping, no handling, boxing, etc. Give us a call. Donna
Fifties Forever
206 Division Ave.
Garfield, NJ 07026
973-478-1306
Editor's note. I saw a catalog recently that had a $4 order status charge
added to every order. I did not know what an order status charge was so I
called the catalog company to find out. According to this company it is
to cover the cost of people calling to ask about the status of their order.
I asked them if they would refund that $4 if I did not call and inquire
about my order. There answer was something like "What a stupid question".
BOB
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: "J. Archer", INTERNET:jarcher1@home.com
Hello Bob, Good Site
I have a 57 Chevy with a 3 speed on the tree. Once in a while, when I start
to go in reverse, the linkage will lock up in second gear.
I have to turn the motor off, open up the hood & move the linkage next to
the firewall up & then I'am on my way. Like I said, this happens only once
in a while. Does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks a lot, Keep up the good work Bob
Jerry Archer
El Cajon Ca
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To: BOB FORD, BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:roy.r.nagel@gm.com, INTERNET:roy.r.nagel@gm.com
With regard to your response to the fellow experiencing the "burping" from
the
PG filler tube when backing out of the driveway: I would totally agree with
your
recommendation on a replacement with a THM350 - if replacement/rebuild are
indeed necessary.
However, in view of the members statement that the PG seems to be operating
fine
otherwise, I'd question whether this is really necessary. My experience is
that
fluid usually burps out the fill tube only when the fluid level in the pan
becomes too high - and that this can occur for any of three main reasons:
overfilling of the transmission in the first place; fluid draining back
from the
torque converter when the vehicle sits for prolonged periods, or; expansion
of
the fluid due to an over- temp situation. I'd say that the last listed is
likely
not the case as we appear to be talking about "burping" that occurs when
backing
out the driveway - shortly after the vehicle has been started. The second
could
be the case - depending on whether the "burping" occurs all the time when
backing out the driveway - or only after the car has sat for over three
weeks
without being used. Most likely though, I suspect the trans may simply well
be
being over-filled inadvertently. Often the fill tube may be incorrectly
seated,
the dipstick may be an incorrect length or the marking misplaced. Parts
could
well not be correct for the application after these 33 years. I'd first try
maintaining the fluid level a bit lower as an experiment - and see if
things
change at all before deciding on major surgery.
And, if the problem is simply a matter of fluid draining out of the
converter
after a lengthy period, I'd recommend simply starting the car and letting
it run
once-a-week or so - even if you are not going to drive it. If the fluid is
draining out of the converter too quickly (and I have seen this after long
service), replacement of the converter only (not the complete transmission)
is
another possibility. Granted, the whole trany has to come out in order to
accomplish this, but the parts cost would be considerably lower.
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To: BOB FORD, BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:roy.r.nagel@gm.com, INTERNET:roy.r.nagel@gm.com
Re your question as to why there is often no drain plug on "modern"
automatic
transmissions: I've not been personally involved in decisions regarding
this
matter, but I would note that there are costs involved with producing a
reinforced section for the pan to receive the plug, assembling that section
to
the pan, welding (or brazing) it together, for manufacturing (or
purchasing) the
drain plug itself, etc. Also, providing a drain plug does introduce a
potential
source of leakage, i.e. the plug can be miss-installed (cross-threaded);
installed loose; the pan/reinforced area joint can be flawed, and so forth.
But,
the opportunity to save a few cents per unit is, I believe, the major
motivation. I agree that the provision of a drain plug makes it easier to
drain
the fluid without getting the stuff all over the garage floor (and I prefer
to
have a plug myself), but I can see advantage (to the vehicle manufacturer)
in
eliminating them.
Also, many modern transmissions have an internal replaceable filter, and
removal
of the pan is required anyway for filter replacement. Since fluid/filter
changes
are not required all that frequently, it is probably not worth the effort
of
adding a drain plug to an existing pan, but this too is a possibility if
one
wants.
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To: "BOB FORD", BOB_FORD
CC: [unknown], INTERNET:ZEEK171@AOL.COM
From: "Don Kent", INTERNET:dkent@socal.rr.com
Hi Bob,
Regarding Ken Long's inquiry about an air filter element for a '57 4
bbl. air cleaner:
Take that oil-bath element out and put it on a shelf somewhere (messy old
things!!) Get a Fram CA151. They fit perfectly and have a rubber lip top
and bottom to finish the seal. I got mine at Pep Boys, but other dealers
around the country will also have them. As I recall, the original design
was for a '78 Lincoln. There aren't too many of those left anymore, so I
wouldn't be surprised if Fram quit making the things soon. Better stock
up!
Best,
Don Kent
Northridge, CA
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: gary delong, INTERNET:yahee54@yahoo.com
Hi Bob, I really enjoy the input from others with the
same interests with the classic Chevys. Can someone
tell me the "proper" procedures for adjusting the
valves on my recently rebuilt 235 56 Chevy engine.
The engine was bored and totally rebuilt, but was told
the valves need proper adjustment; and would like to
accomplish this myself; just need some guidance. Keep
up the great work Bob.
Gary
San Diego
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To: BOB FORD, BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:hsieck@unlnotes.unl.edu, INTERNET:hsieck@unlnotes.unl.edu
In regards to the plug in the automatic trany. I have the same question.
I
figure that if it would cost GM $0.50 to install a plug in a trans pan and
they
produce a couple million of them, they save a big chunk of change by not
installing them. They don't care if it makes a big mess when you change a
trany
filter and there's no plug in the pan!
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From: Tamara Tresko, INTERNET:twtresko@pacbell.net
Date: 4/25/2000, 8:27 PM
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> > CONTACT: Bill Bird
> > April 25, 2000
> > (916) 319-2029
> >
> > Briggs' Vintage License Plate Bill Sails Through Assembly
> > AB 2058 Heading for State Senate
> >
> > SACRAMENTO: AB 2058 from Assemblyman Mike Briggs (R-Clovis) is on its
way
> to
> > the Senate after receiving unanimous support during an Assembly Floor
> vote.
> > The measure would allow vintage car owners the option of using vintage
> > license plates, if the automobile was manufactured before 1974. Current
> law
> > limits vintage plates to automobiles manufactured before 1963.
> >
> > "This is a measure that vintage car owners want and support in the
effort
> to
> > make their projects fully authentic," said Assemblyman Briggs. "I'm
> pleased
> > that the Assembly saw the value of this bill, and I'm expecting similar
> > support in the Senate."
> >
> > The bill would allow vintage car owners to install the high
ly prized
black
> > with gold plates that were phased out in 1973. The white reflector
plates
> > currently required by the State of California apply to all automobiles
> > manufactured after 1963, regardless of vintage status.
> >
> > The vintage black plates with gold lettering were used on cars from
1963
> to
> > 1969 and on light trucks from 1963 to 1972. A "classic" manufactured
> during
> > this period cannot use the vintage plates under current state law, even
> > though they may be the original plates the automobile was outfitted
with.
> >
> > The only cars on the road with black and gold plates are those that
have
> > been continually registered since being purchased new in California
more
> > than 30-years ago. In fact, many vintage car collectors refer to these
> > automobiles as "original black plate cars."
> >
> > AB 2058 would require collectors to have a matching set of classic
plates,
> > which also must be in clean condition.
> >
> > For more information about AB 2058, or to schedule an interview with
> > Assemblyman Briggs, please contact Bill Bird at (916) 319-2029.
> >
> >
> >
> > Editor's Note: Letters of support for this bill are still needed.
> Supporters
> > should address letters to Assemblyman Mike Briggs, c/o State Capitol,
Room
> > 2111, Sacramento, CA 95814.
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Editor of the 57-56-55 CHEVY LIST and TURBOGLIDE REGISTRY
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 7:29 AM
To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com
Subject: 57-56-55 CHEVY LIST
THIS IS THE 57-56-55 CHEVY LIST
TO POST SOMETHING ON THIS LIST PLEASE E-MAIL YOUR POST TO
BOB_FORD@COMPUSERVE.COM
THERE IS NO COST TO BECOME A LIST MEMBER AND ONLY LIST MEMBERS ARE
ALLOWED TO POST SOMETHING ON THE LIST. IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE THAT
HAS E-MAIL AND WOULD BENEFIT FROM BEING A LIST MEMBER, ASK THEM TO
JOIN. THE MORE LIST MEMBERS WE HAVE, THE MORE INFORMATION LIST
MEMBERS CAN SHARE WITH EACH OTHER.
THIS 57-56-55 CHEVY LIST IS NOT SENT OUT ON ANY SET SCHEDULE SO IF YOU
WANT TO POST SOMETHING THAT CONTAINS A DATE, PLEASE SEND IT IN EARLY
SO I CAN GET IT OUT TO THE LIST MEMBERS BEFORE THE DATE OF THE EVENT.
I ENCOURAGE ALL LIST MEMBERS TO INCLUDE THEIR CITY AND STATE WITH
THEIR POSTS. IF YOU ARE POSTING SOMETHING FOR SALE PLEASE ALSO
INCLUDE YOUR PHONE NUMBER AND THE PRICE. IT IS HELPFUL TO ALSO
INCLUDE WHEN YOU WILL BE AT YOUR PHONE NUMBER AND YOUR TIME ZONE.
TAKE AS MUCH SPACE AS YOU WANT AND FULLY DESCRIBE WHAT YOU HAVE
FOR SALE.
YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THIS LIST ARE WELCOME.
IF YOU WANT TO SEND ME E-MAIL THAT YOU DO NOT WANT ON THE LIST
PLEASE PUT "PRIVATE NOT FOR THE LIST' AS THE SUBJECT.
THANKS
BOB FORD
EDITOR
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:mears@up2me.com, INTERNET:mears@up2me.com
Hay Bob,
I converted my brakes to silicone. First remove all rubber components, then
flush the entire system with alcohol to rid it of any trace of old fluid,
(they don't mix!) blowing it out with compressed air and replacing ALL
rubber parts. It works fine now. Be sure to write 'silicone fluid' on the
master cylinder so no one tops it off with Dot 3 or you'll be doing the
whole process again...
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: "Kenneth L Ogle", INTERNET:kenneth.ogle@gte.net
Bob, this is for Ken Long. Purolator makes an filter element that fits my
57 air cleaner. The number is 'A42318'. I'm sure there are others that
make a replacement also. Thanks Bob, keep up the good work and, as always,
remember 'GOD is Love', Ken
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:rixrex@ddc.net, INTERNET:rixrex@ddc.net
Hello...Bob, the same lame brained engineer that deleted drain
plugs off
transmissions probably also deleted the handy drain plugs off gas tanks. He
probably also is the one that deleted the little carry loops off of
mattresses, although that may be some conspiracy perpetrated by
chiropractors.
Hey everybody..I would like to trade a brand-new complete lt.green and
white upholstery kit for a two-door 56 Chevy for same type of kit for a 55
4D SW any color as I haven't decided on color yet(although I am leaning
towards pink and gray)....I have several 55-57 parts cars if anybody is
interested, recently got a 57 4D hardtop with an extra set of 56 4D hardtop
doors.....Rick
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET
ERION57@aol.com, INTERNETERION57@aol.comHi Bob, The reason there is no drain plug on automatic transmissions is so
you are forced to open it up and change the filter.
Mike
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:Slgraves56@aol.com, INTERNET:Slgraves56@aol.com
Bob,
I still have my 1956 265 c.i. two barrel V-8 for sale. It was running well
when we removed it from the car. It has original exhaust manifolds, oil
bath
air cleaner, generator, starter, etc. I would like to get $450 for it plus
shipping. I also have the front spindles with brakes and drums from the '56
-good shape for $65 for both plus shipping. The steering column is
available
too. It was a three speed standard. Most parts for the shifting mechanism
go
with it for $50. I am in Kansas City, Missouri at (816) 734-8822.
Thanks,
Steve
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To: BOB FORD, BOB_FORD
From: WOLFGANG KUPKA, INTERNET:wolfgangv@earthlink.net
I'm interest in joining, i just bought 1957 bel air convertible. and i do
need
some help.
first on the list is a conv. top switch, any help. i can get one for $350
in
very good condition. is that a good price?
thanks, wolf
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To: BOB FORD, BOB_FORD
From: Bill Owens, INTERNET:bowens@midsouth.rr.com
Bob,
I want to thank you, John, Steve, Mike and all the rest for responding
to my request for engine stamping codes. I checked Mortec and Chevymania
and both had full listings. At one time I had an address that listed
both codes and suffix codes and I think it was something like Alltel but
it will not come up npw. If anyone has a listing for suffix numbers
which appear on the front right bank of the engine, please let me know.
I realize the engine stamping code on the rear of the engine is much
more reliable, but I am still interested in the suffix codes also.
Thanks again,
Bill Owens
Bartlett, TN 38134
bowens@midsouth.rr.com
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To: BOB FORD, BOB_FORD
From: Bill Kautz, INTERNET:kautz@home.com
Hi Bob,
I know what you mean about recommending someone to do work. Lisa's
problems are much like mine with my '55 210. I had my '64 Catalina and
my '85 Dodge van painted at a local shop. They did a beautiful job on
both. Two other people in my club had their cars, (a '41 Chev and a '67
Galaxy-frame-off), done there. They were very happy with the work. Even
my sister-in-law, who's very hard to please, was happy with their work.
When they did my '55 the driver's door came out a different shade
than the rest of the car. Even with the electronic paint matching system
they couldn't get it quite right. They ended up painting the whole car
again.
A few months ago I backed the car out of the garage to do some work
under the dash. A small tree limb fell on the right front fender leaving
a spot the size of a quarter right down to bare metal. There was also a
very small ding in the driver's door from a careless spectator at a car
show. I have a two-toned car again! Their electronic paint matcher must
be a piece of junk and I told the owner as much. He agreed to paint the
car over, (this time I'm going for a blue body with a pearl white top),
for his cost. The shop has always been one of the better ones in the
Baltimore area for a good paint job, and I'm going to let them do the
'55 again because it will not cost too much this time. However, if the
car doesn't meet my expectations, they won't get any more
recommendations from me. Just like anything else, Caveat emptor! Wild
Bill
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:Lovemy56@aol.com, INTERNET:Lovemy56@aol.com
<< Thanks for the email Wild Bill. I'm glad to see that it's not just
females who get the run around.....
Happy Easter everyone!
Lisa >>
Lisa, females are DEFINITELY not the only ones to get the run around!!!!!
I've had the run around so many times with so many different auto repair
shops, etc, many times I have felt like a Rabbit at a Dog Track!!!!!!!!
Richard
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: "Marilyn", INTERNET:Marilyn@netins.net
Hi Bob, just wanted to talk to my fellow chevy fans today. I needed a left
hand door for my 57 2dr hardtop, and found a classified ad in my magazine
from classic chevy international. I called the guy, who by the way lives in
Wis. Rapids, WI and he said he had one left which was very nice. We talked
a while about the door, and believing him , I sent him 550.00 for the door.
I received it today and what a disappointment!! My body guy said it will
take more to fix that door than the one I have on the car. It had been
reskined at a point in time, what a lousy job. I called the guy back and he
denies it had a skin put in on it, and hung up. The freight was 118.00, so
now I have 668.00 in a door that is no better than what I have. Just a good
reminder for you guys selling parts out there, tell your buyer what the
part is really like, and maybe he will buy again from you. Live and learn I
guess. I really think that if you buy a part from someone that has a
classic, they will probably be honest. There is so many guys out there
getting parts from wherever, and pushing them any way they can. Well,
enough of my bad luck today. Keep up the good work Bob!!! Roger in Iowa.
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:GremlinGTs@aol.com, INTERNET:GremlinGTs@aol.com
Ok, fellows, here's an apparently rare? car, a '57 sedan delivery with
glass, rather than steel panels in the back. Did GM ever make such an
animal?
Would it be possible to have the Delivery Model number on the cowl tag that
would authenticate this car? Anyway, this came off my Oletrucks email
List,so
I'll send it along to the Tri-Five list if anyone's interested. The party
to
contact is VIKINGHILL@aol.com. I know nothing about this car, but sounds
interesting, I suppose. Well, that's all for me, I'm going back to bed to
get
over this sinus infection. Here 'tis!
Jerry
Woodbridge, VA
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>From : VIKINGHILL@aol.com
To: oletrucks@autox.team.net ( truck list , covers 47-59 Chevy/GM's )
Hi all,
I work with this guy and he is a big wig here at work.
He has a 1957 sedan delivery, he said that it was rare because it has the
glass panels on the side and not the metal, it looks like a 2dr. station
wagon
with a sedan delivery rear. This car has had been media blasted and all
the body parts replaced that were bad, it has a light coating of rust from
sitting in the humid air here in Ga. The car is setting on a rotissery at
his
shop, He has all the parts except the engine and the trannie. He has 2
extra
1957 frames and rears, he has a bunch of parts from his last resto, a 1957
bellair convertible that he sold, and a 1957 parts car. He said that he
has
two of every thing (steering wheels/columns, (both auto and standard), as
well as dash pieces and other misc. pieces. The price is a mere $6,200 (
he
might go down a little, but I don't know.) The car is obviously not
drivable
and would need to be picked up, (Dalton, Ga. - 25 miles south of
Chattanooga,
Tn. Right on Interstate 75.) If anyone is interested give me a buzz and I
might be able to get you some photo's with my digital camera.
It sounds good, and he has no reason to lie, I work with him quite often.
Thanks in ADvance,
Casey
-47 thriftmaster
-pilgram to the deprived, (ie, working on a mustang)
oletrucks is devoted to Chevy and GM trucks built between 1941 and 1959
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:JHCHEVYPARTS@aol.com, INTERNET:JHCHEVYPARTS@aol.com
Bob: Thanks for the great job that you do for the rest of us Chevy guys. I
look forward to receiving it each week.
To Tom Garrett, Re your powerglide burping. This problem has been around
forever and is no reason to get rid of an operating transmission. There is
a
check valve available that goes, I think, into one of the cooling lines
which
will cure the problem. Classic Chevy did an article years ago describing
the
fix and should have the part as well as any "good" transmission shop. Good
luck
If anyone is installing a 4 speed behind a 400 small block, the casting
number on the GM flywheel is 3978457. It is still available from GM for
about $192.00 list, but I have found two in recent weeks, used.
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To: "'Bob_Ford@compuserve.com'", Bob_Ford
From: "Glassoff, Marc", INTERNET:GlassoffMA@navair.navy.mil
Hi Bob-
In response to the 57 powerglide that burps transmission fluid, I have a
similar problem in my 56. It seems to lose fluid out the filler tube on a
random basis, just sitting in the garage...especially in the summer. I
have never actually seen the fluid burp out, there is just a puddle on the
floor by the filler tube. This is an original car with 107,000 miles that I
am restoring. It runs fine and shifts perfectly. It's a 6 cylinder. While
I'm at it, what's the consensus on what to do about blow by out the draft
tube and oil filler cap. I know the standard answer is to redo the whole
engine, but it runs great and purrs like a kitten so why tear it all down?
I've seen hoses that route the fumes back to the intake manifold and was
wondering how they affect the running of the car. I welcome your
responses.
Marc Glassoff
Escondido, CA
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:Marty28447@aol.com, INTERNET:Marty28447@aol.com
In a message dated 04/26/2000 7:46:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
BOB_FORD@compuserve.com writes:
<< mhrreast@juno.com >>
Ted,
Every parts store I have ever bought brake parts & fluid from seems to
want me to change to silicone fluid, I have always declined as I keep my
car
original. Now after reading about your problems I know why, they want to
sell
more parts!!! I suggest you stay away from the silicone unless you
completely replace all brake components and if you change back to the dot 3
fluid make sure you really flush the whole brake system including the brake
lines. Mixing dot 3 and silicone will cause the brake fluid to gum up and
clog the system.
Kim
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:Marty28447@aol.com, INTERNET:Marty28447@aol.com
<< Low55chev@aol.com >>
Steve,
Thanks, I would like to know who you have rebuild your engines as I know
I
will need a professional to do alot of things, But I do want to do some of
the work myself as There is a lot I want to learn. This engine/transmission
only cost me $100.00 so if I mess things up I'm not out alot of money.
Kim
PS - See ya at NHRA tonight
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To: [unknown], Bob_Ford
From: INTERNET:Sjrwonder@aol.com, INTERNET:Sjrwonder@aol.com
Bob
The way it was explained to me, automatic transmissions do not have a
drain
plug because it is important to change the filter every time you change the
fluid, so you are forced to remove the whole pan.
If there was a plug, the filter would stay in forever. There would be a lot
more warrantee disagreements.
I have a question for the list, why aren't the original 49-53 GM Hydramatic
transmissions popular anymore?. During the 60's all the racers that could
afford the 4-speed Hydramatic (B&M Hydro-sticks) bought them. They , unlike
the modern GM 4-speed automatics , like the 700r4 & the others, had a close
ratio set of gears , 4th gear was not a overdrive.
The B&M Hydro-stick was the thing to die for in the early 60's. I can still
hear those 40's Willys going through the gears , in my head!. Maybe the
Lenco
was the nail in their coffin?
Steve Roth
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To: [unknown], INTERNET:cgishere2@home.com
CC: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: Donna, INTERNET:Fiftiesforever@webtv.net
Clint,
Yes, we do have front and rear bumpers for your 57. Front 5pc is $449,
rear bumper center is $165, and rear bumper ends are $239pr. All are
triple plated with no exchange of your old cores. They are beautiful! We
also have 55-56 front and rear 3pc. bumpers for $269 per set. Thanks for
your interest. We have all in stock. We ship UPS and only charge actual
shipping, no handling, boxing, etc. Give us a call. Donna
Fifties Forever
206 Division Ave.
Garfield, NJ 07026
973-478-1306
Editor's note. I saw a catalog recently that had a $4 order status charge
added to every order. I did not know what an order status charge was so I
called the catalog company to find out. According to this company it is
to cover the cost of people calling to ask about the status of their order.
I asked them if they would refund that $4 if I did not call and inquire
about my order. There answer was something like "What a stupid question".
BOB
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: "J. Archer", INTERNET:jarcher1@home.com
Hello Bob, Good Site
I have a 57 Chevy with a 3 speed on the tree. Once in a while, when I start
to go in reverse, the linkage will lock up in second gear.
I have to turn the motor off, open up the hood & move the linkage next to
the firewall up & then I'am on my way. Like I said, this happens only once
in a while. Does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks a lot, Keep up the good work Bob
Jerry Archer
El Cajon Ca
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To: BOB FORD, BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:roy.r.nagel@gm.com, INTERNET:roy.r.nagel@gm.com
With regard to your response to the fellow experiencing the "burping" from
the
PG filler tube when backing out of the driveway: I would totally agree with
your
recommendation on a replacement with a THM350 - if replacement/rebuild are
indeed necessary.
However, in view of the members statement that the PG seems to be operating
fine
otherwise, I'd question whether this is really necessary. My experience is
that
fluid usually burps out the fill tube only when the fluid level in the pan
becomes too high - and that this can occur for any of three main reasons:
overfilling of the transmission in the first place; fluid draining back
from the
torque converter when the vehicle sits for prolonged periods, or; expansion
of
the fluid due to an over- temp situation. I'd say that the last listed is
likely
not the case as we appear to be talking about "burping" that occurs when
backing
out the driveway - shortly after the vehicle has been started. The second
could
be the case - depending on whether the "burping" occurs all the time when
backing out the driveway - or only after the car has sat for over three
weeks
without being used. Most likely though, I suspect the trans may simply well
be
being over-filled inadvertently. Often the fill tube may be incorrectly
seated,
the dipstick may be an incorrect length or the marking misplaced. Parts
could
well not be correct for the application after these 33 years. I'd first try
maintaining the fluid level a bit lower as an experiment - and see if
things
change at all before deciding on major surgery.
And, if the problem is simply a matter of fluid draining out of the
converter
after a lengthy period, I'd recommend simply starting the car and letting
it run
once-a-week or so - even if you are not going to drive it. If the fluid is
draining out of the converter too quickly (and I have seen this after long
service), replacement of the converter only (not the complete transmission)
is
another possibility. Granted, the whole trany has to come out in order to
accomplish this, but the parts cost would be considerably lower.
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From: INTERNET:roy.r.nagel@gm.com, INTERNET:roy.r.nagel@gm.com
Re your question as to why there is often no drain plug on "modern"
automatic
transmissions: I've not been personally involved in decisions regarding
this
matter, but I would note that there are costs involved with producing a
reinforced section for the pan to receive the plug, assembling that section
to
the pan, welding (or brazing) it together, for manufacturing (or
purchasing) the
drain plug itself, etc. Also, providing a drain plug does introduce a
potential
source of leakage, i.e. the plug can be miss-installed (cross-threaded);
installed loose; the pan/reinforced area joint can be flawed, and so forth.
But,
the opportunity to save a few cents per unit is, I believe, the major
motivation. I agree that the provision of a drain plug makes it easier to
drain
the fluid without getting the stuff all over the garage floor (and I prefer
to
have a plug myself), but I can see advantage (to the vehicle manufacturer)
in
eliminating them.
Also, many modern transmissions have an internal replaceable filter, and
removal
of the pan is required anyway for filter replacement. Since fluid/filter
changes
are not required all that frequently, it is probably not worth the effort
of
adding a drain plug to an existing pan, but this too is a possibility if
one
wants.
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To: "BOB FORD", BOB_FORD
CC: [unknown], INTERNET:ZEEK171@AOL.COM
From: "Don Kent", INTERNET:dkent@socal.rr.com
Hi Bob,
Regarding Ken Long's inquiry about an air filter element for a '57 4
bbl. air cleaner:
Take that oil-bath element out and put it on a shelf somewhere (messy old
things!!) Get a Fram CA151. They fit perfectly and have a rubber lip top
and bottom to finish the seal. I got mine at Pep Boys, but other dealers
around the country will also have them. As I recall, the original design
was for a '78 Lincoln. There aren't too many of those left anymore, so I
wouldn't be surprised if Fram quit making the things soon. Better stock
up!
Best,
Don Kent
Northridge, CA
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To: [unknown], BOB_FORD
From: gary delong, INTERNET:yahee54@yahoo.com
Hi Bob, I really enjoy the input from others with the
same interests with the classic Chevys. Can someone
tell me the "proper" procedures for adjusting the
valves on my recently rebuilt 235 56 Chevy engine.
The engine was bored and totally rebuilt, but was told
the valves need proper adjustment; and would like to
accomplish this myself; just need some guidance. Keep
up the great work Bob.
Gary
San Diego
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To: BOB FORD, BOB_FORD
From: INTERNET:hsieck@unlnotes.unl.edu, INTERNET:hsieck@unlnotes.unl.edu
In regards to the plug in the automatic trany. I have the same question.
I
figure that if it would cost GM $0.50 to install a plug in a trans pan and
they
produce a couple million of them, they save a big chunk of change by not
installing them. They don't care if it makes a big mess when you change a
trany
filter and there's no plug in the pan!
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From: Tamara Tresko, INTERNET:twtresko@pacbell.net
Date: 4/25/2000, 8:27 PM
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> > CONTACT: Bill Bird
> > April 25, 2000
> > (916) 319-2029
> >
> > Briggs' Vintage License Plate Bill Sails Through Assembly
> > AB 2058 Heading for State Senate
> >
> > SACRAMENTO: AB 2058 from Assemblyman Mike Briggs (R-Clovis) is on its
way
> to
> > the Senate after receiving unanimous support during an Assembly Floor
> vote.
> > The measure would allow vintage car owners the option of using vintage
> > license plates, if the automobile was manufactured before 1974. Current
> law
> > limits vintage plates to automobiles manufactured before 1963.
> >
> > "This is a measure that vintage car owners want and support in the
effort
> to
> > make their projects fully authentic," said Assemblyman Briggs. "I'm
> pleased
> > that the Assembly saw the value of this bill, and I'm expecting similar
> > support in the Senate."
> >
> > The bill would allow vintage car owners to install the high
ly prized
black
> > with gold plates that were phased out in 1973. The white reflector
plates
> > currently required by the State of California apply to all automobiles
> > manufactured after 1963, regardless of vintage status.
> >
> > The vintage black plates with gold lettering were used on cars from
1963
> to
> > 1969 and on light trucks from 1963 to 1972. A "classic" manufactured
> during
> > this period cannot use the vintage plates under current state law, even
> > though they may be the original plates the automobile was outfitted
with.
> >
> > The only cars on the road with black and gold plates are those that
have
> > been continually registered since being purchased new in California
more
> > than 30-years ago. In fact, many vintage car collectors refer to these
> > automobiles as "original black plate cars."
> >
> > AB 2058 would require collectors to have a matching set of classic
plates,
> > which also must be in clean condition.
> >
> > For more information about AB 2058, or to schedule an interview with
> > Assemblyman Briggs, please contact Bill Bird at (916) 319-2029.
> >
> >
> >
> > Editor's Note: Letters of support for this bill are still needed.
> Supporters
> > should address letters to Assemblyman Mike Briggs, c/o State Capitol,
Room
> > 2111, Sacramento, CA 95814.
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