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Prozak
02-05-2020, 08:39 AM
I have a 57 4 door that currently has a 283 sbc with 4bl carb and a muncie 4 speed. It was a frame off restoration from a few years ago. It has manual steering but power disc brakes. My girls and I drove it all last summer, and it was great with one exception. It was so hot in there on some of the warmer days, my poor girls got hot. so here is my plans and goals. I am absolutely going to continue reading the posts and information on here. I am not a know it all, so please give me any tips or advice if you see anything im doing wrong or could be done a better way. I have a ton of questions, but ill see if i can find answers searching here first. I wont even start the LS swap until i have all the parts in hand and research is done.


Step 1. Install a vintage air kit. ( on the current motor )
i have questions on how much work it will be to get this working on the LS6. will i need a new compressor ? lines ? etc

Step 2. Upgrade the fuel tank with an EFI ready with 255lph pump

Step 3. Setup an FItech fuel injection on the current motor.
This motor and FI setup will be used later in a rat rod project so i dont mind spending the money on what seems to be unnecessary.

step 4 upgrade to power steering. I was going to do rack and pinion, but after reading here, im getting the idea that a 605 may be a better option ? any suggestions here would help.. Also should I wait to do this with the LS swap ? or is it fairly easy to add it now on the current motor and not be too much of a pain to get setup on the LS6 ?

step 5 LS6 swap with T56.

the end result I want is my 57 with the LS6, PS, heat AC 6 speed manual.

Parts list will be updated as i gather information and part numbers.


1. LS6
2. T56
3. BBC bellhousing ?
4 hydraulic clutch setup
5 vintage air kit
6 clutch
7 oil pan
8 efi gas tank
9 FItech system
10 PS box
11 PS pump
to be continued........1047010471

chevynut
02-05-2020, 02:24 PM
Step 1. A big part of the VA install is the evaporator, so changing over to a different ending isn't that big of a deal. I don't know if you need a different compressor, but since you don't appear to have an accessory drive I'd look at the Vintage Air setup or something similar.

Step 2. Check out Tanks, Inc. for the tank, pump, and sender.

Step 3. Sounds like a good plan if you have use for the FITech system later.

Step 4. The consensus seems to be to not use an aftermarket R&P with the newer boxes on the market. Others can give you advice but Borgeson makes a box as does CPP. The 605 is outdated.

Step 5. Not sure why you want a BBC bellhousing but you need to be sure the T56 you get has the right input shaft length for the bellhousing you want to use. If you buy a T56 set up for an LS you can either use an aftermarket bellhousing (Lakewood, etc.) or a stock aluminum one. Also consider where the shifter is going to sit, and if you want to try to move it forward. If you use a T56 out of an F-body the shifter is WAY back on the tailshaft and won't work with a bench seat. You can get a kit to move the shifter forward but it requires some transmission disassembly as I understand it. Clearly you'll need a different driveshaft, flywheel, and clutch too.

Step 6. Have fun!

NickP
02-11-2020, 07:53 AM
Nice looking ride

markm
02-11-2020, 06:52 PM
I don't understand the need for a BBC bell either, If SBC had 11 clutch they are the same. The 605 is scrap iron CCP 500 or Boreson are much better options. Did I miss cooling system upgrade.

Rick_L
02-11-2020, 07:59 PM
With the LS6, you need to use a T56 from a gen4 Camaro and use its bellhousing or a Quick Time scattershield bellhousing for a gen4 Camaro. Anything else just makes things complicated. Use the hydraulic master cylinder and throwout bearing for a gen4 Camaro too for the same reason.

And as recommended, the 605 isn't something you want, instead go with the Borgeson or CPP power steering box. Borgeson is preferred.

A good quality aluminum radiator and a quality electric fan setup are preferred items.

Plan on using a Holley 302-1 or the clone of it that just came on the market. Stock LS6 pan won't clear the crossmember. The "GMPP" pan will but the sump is too close to the ground if your car is lowered at all.

Prozak
08-24-2020, 07:24 AM
I'll add a quick update here with pics to follow. I will continue to gather parts for this swap and keep updating with progress. I'm not sure what i read about using a BBC bellhousing, but yeah that was not correct lol.....

1. A/C I ended up getting the Vintage Air Sure Fit V4 kit I believe it was. Got that all installed and went to get it filled. What a great kit, works excellent.

2. I picked up a T56 transmission from a 2000 Camaro, with bellhousing and the hydraulic clutch assembly. ( need the other side, pedal slave cyl.) I see the shifter relocation kits, which I will get so I can retain my bench seat.

3. Picked up FITech 650hp boosted version along with the fuel command center. I was going to install this, but to my surprise, even with the AC kicking on and off my car was running excellent. So I still have this which I will use in another upcoming turbo build.

4. My wife got me some original rear aluminum inserts, so I cleaned them up and installed them.

5. Found a set of Craigers and tossed them on. really like the way this changed the look of the car.

Prozak
08-24-2020, 08:11 AM
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Prozak
08-24-2020, 08:16 AM
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Prozak
08-24-2020, 08:20 AM
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Prozak
08-24-2020, 08:24 AM
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55 Rescue Dog
08-24-2020, 08:30 AM
Nicely done!

Prozak
08-24-2020, 08:31 AM
I may not use this for the LS swap. Have not decided yet. I will likely just get a new tank with 255lph pump in it, but I did this work planning for the FiTech system.

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Prozak
08-25-2020, 12:30 PM
Can anyone tell me if this will work or not ? https://www.jegs.com/i/Chevrolet-Performance/809/12624621/10002/-1
from what I can tell its the same as https://www.summitracing.com/parts/nal-19212593/make/chevrolet
but I would like to know for sure before I pull the trigger.

Rick_L
08-25-2020, 01:35 PM
That pan will fit but the sump is rather deep and won't have ground clearance, especially on a lowered car.

Instead use the Holley 302-1 pan or the clone of it from TSP.

Prozak
08-25-2020, 02:44 PM
Thanks for the info.... either of these part numbers the one to go with ? my car has 2" drop spindles... thats about it

https://www.poormanmotorsports.com/product/tsp-81073-low-profile-retro-fit-lsx-aluminum-rear-sump-oil-pan-aluminum-natural (https://www.poormanmotorsports.com/product/tsp-81073-low-profile-retro-fit-lsx-aluminum-rear-sump-oil-pan-aluminum-natural)

or

https://www.poormanmotorsports.com/product/tsp-81074-retro-fit-lsx-aluminum-rear-sump-oil-pan-aluminum-natural

Rick_L
08-25-2020, 03:07 PM
Suggest you call and ask the difference between the 81073 and 81074 before ordering to confirm what's below.

Looking at the photos and specs, the 81074 is the equivalent of the Holley 302-1, and the 81073 is the equivalent of the Holley 302-2.

The Holley 302-1 is the one that fits a 55-57. It has the additional benefit of being able to clear a longer stroke, but that's not a problem with the LS6.

EGGZ57210
11-11-2020, 11:54 AM
You are doing so many things I want to do with my 57 210! I love the Cragar look! It definitely set me off on mine when I saw it. I will be keeping this post in mind, as I will be doing a motor, trans brake, power steering, and A/C upgrade! Great looking car...Thanks for sharing!

BamaNomad
11-11-2020, 05:29 PM
Very nice Prozak!~ I especially like the modification you did to the '57 Instrument panel !

Prozak
01-26-2021, 02:19 PM
about time for an update! Summer was great with the A/C. I never finished the EFI setup, i just kept driving it on the 4 barrel.. Well winter is here and teardown began. first up was the LS6 cleanup. I was going to just leave the heads on and change the cam, and springs... but along the way i noticed a couple lifters were collapsed. so parts were. Texas speed " Cleetus Mcfarland Bald Eagle" camshaft, PAC springs, hardened pushrods, new valve seals, LS7 lifters and trays. with a little valve lap job for good measure.

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Prozak
01-26-2021, 02:32 PM
So far I have removed the motor and trans. new motor is all back together for the most part. installing the power steering box and fuel system soon.

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WagonCrazy
01-28-2021, 07:08 AM
What abot firewall modification to get that T56 to fit under there? Have you done a dry test fit yet?

Prozak
08-02-2021, 06:02 AM
I've been quietly plugging away at this project for the last 8-9 months in my spare time. It was my first LS swap so I don't have much to compare it to. There was a few things that were supposed to fit, that didnt. I had some problems to solve along the way, but I figured it out. Had to try a couple sets of headers to get around the new power steering box I installed. CPP 600. That took a rag joint that was pretty hard to find to fit my current steering column. I had to fabricate a mount for a 2000 camaro clutch master cylinder. custom made some fuel lines, welded new ears for the transmission crossmember. I just tackled one problem at a time. I used adjustable motor mounts to help with alignment. Installed a new tank with 255lph pump, used a stock 0411 PCM with BP Automotive stand alone harness. Rebuilt the T56 with carbon blockers, new synchro sleeves, brass fork pads etc. had to move the battery to the trunk, used a power distribution block up front. one major issue I had was it wouldnt start after everything was wired up. I checked every thread i could to chase the problem. There was a no spark situation. I had 8 brand new coils so i never suspected them. I replaced the crank and cam sensor, checked all my grounds many times. tested the PCM, nothing looked wrong.BUT I had ordered an aftermarket coil harness, because no local junk yard had an OEM one. turns out the coil harness I bought was wired incorrectly for the LS6 coils. I repinned it and it still didnt start. it actually fried all 8 coils being wired wrong. so it took many hours to figure out the coils were bad, I ended up using a scope to see signal coming from the PCM and that told me it was the coils. anyway all set now, running and driving. just need to drop it off for a final tune.


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Prozak
08-02-2021, 06:07 AM
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Prozak
08-02-2021, 06:10 AM
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Prozak
08-02-2021, 06:14 AM
hopefully this works, heres video of it idling for the first time and when the exhaust was completed. if you click the link, then the thumbnail youll be able to play it without downloading.

https://share.icloud.com/photos/04WlODwsRPrR433aChE0WO-Kw#Plymouth



https://share.icloud.com/photos/0Vd_11QRvWtkF8ExLDNlaGi8g#Plymouth

Belair-o
08-02-2021, 06:16 AM
Very nice progress! Good job!