Cecil the lion

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http://nypost.com/2015/07/28/american-dentist-sought-in-killing-of-cecil-zimbabwes-beloved-lion/

So now the animal rights retards are up in arms over a guy who paid $50K to shoot a lion in Africa. This guy hired a professional hunter and paid to get onto private land bordering a national park. They baited to try to draw in a lion and "Cecil" apparently fell for the bait and got shot with a bow and arrow.

In my eyes, this hunter did nothing wrong. Unfortunately he didn't get a quick kill and they had to track the lion down, but that can happen with a bow and arrow or a rifle. He apparently had a legal permit and did not shoot the animal in the park. maybe something will come out to clarify what else may have happened, but to this point I think it was all legal. I don't even know why they've arrested the PH and the landowner, maybe just for show.

If I was hunting around Rocky Mountain National Park or even Yellowstone, it would be perfectly legal for me to shoot an elk or moose that wandered off of the park, whether it had a radio collar or not, or even if it was some sort of "celebrity". There was a popular bull elk named "Samson" who got shot illegally outside of RMNP several years ago and everyone went nuts. The only thing the guy really did wrong was he didn't have a license to shoot an elk, and I think he may have shot it on YMCA property. But if he would have had a license and permission to hunt there, it would still be a dead elk and they probably still would have raised hell about it.

How was this dentist guy supposed to know he was shooting a "beloved" lion? How was he supposed to know it was radio-collared, when lions have a big mane that would cover any collar?

If I was this guy I'd be carrying a gun with me at all times. There are some real nutcases around who would kill or beat him in revenge, and those same people probably have no problem with killing a baby months into a pregnancy by "crushing" it (as per Planned Parenthood).

And this liberal bitch Mia Farrow had no right to post the dentist's address, imo. If he gets attacked I think she should be charged with aiding and abetting a crime.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/07/29/mia-farrow-shares-address-man-who-shot-cecil-lion-on-twitter/?intcmp=hpff

This article just posted suggests the landowner may be the one responsible...so why is everyone going after the dentist?:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/29/africa/zimbabwe-cecil-the-lion-killed/

Investigations suggest the killing of Cecil was illegal because the landowner "was not allocated a lion on his hunting quota for 2015," said a statement from the Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Management Authority and Safari Operators Association of Zimbabwe.

[Rick_L]

And now we find out that the perp gave $5000 to the Romney campaign in 2012. Romney should give the money back!

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Say What? What does that have to do with Cecil or anything about hunting?

Obviously this dentist is pretty well off if he can pay $50K for a lion hunt. And only $5K to Romney?

[Rick_L]

What does that have to do with Cecil or anything about hunting?

It shows that this mean thoughtless person who must be a Republican actually is one. No Democrat libtard would do such a thing.

Next thing we'll find out is that he pays NRA dues too.

[rockytopper R.I.P 5-13-2017]

What a scum bag. He screwed all of us.

My wife who set in the stand with me when I pulled the trigger is telling me my 3 trophy white tail mounts that have hung on our wall sense we got married 20 years ago have to go. The barn she says. I hate face book lol.........

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The truth be known the PH's knew what was going on.The dentist maybe not or maybe so but ether way it was a bad hunt.Been there believe me the PH's know when it's rite and when it's wrong.

[Maddog]

Absolutely no reason to kill a lion unless it's in defense of peoples lives

[rockytopper R.I.P 5-13-2017]

Why isn't Ted playing cat scratch fever yet? LOL

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I don't know Smooth, we'll have to wait to find out the whole truth. If the PH knew it was illegal, then he's the one that should be charged. The landowner may not have known a thing about hunting but was paid for access. The hunter paid big money to hire an "expert" that should have known what was right and wrong. I believe if you hire a guide in the US and he has you do something illegal that you had no reason to question, it's his fault.

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Yeah we will have to wait and see but I will just about bet they knew what they were doing.The wife and I use to run a archery shop from 2000 till 2005 called Eagles wings archery.we use to book hunts with Shoonbee Safaris it was x amount of dollars for the hunt but x amount for the animal you were hunting.If you brought blood you bought the animal.So if the hunter didn't kill they didn't get that money. They just got the fee for the stay.

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What are the odds of them luring a lion out of the park from a mile away? If they really were after that particular lion, I think they would have been closer to the park. Hell, they probably could have legally hunted right on the boundary if their licenses were legal. And how far inside the park did the lion usually stay? I personally doubt the PH would have targeted that particular lion knowing they were tracking it daily. He had to have known it would mean trouble for him.

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Chevy I agree with what your saying but money and greed will make people do crazy things.I use to hunt in Ill.that place is eat up with outfitters you would be surprised at what those guys would do to make sure the paid hunter shot a deer.

[Maddog]

HARARE, Zimbabwe (AP) — Zimbabwe intends to seek the extradition of an American dentist who killed a lion that was lured out of a national park and shot with a bow and a gun, and the process has already begun, a Cabinet minister said Friday."Unfortunately it was too late to apprehend the foreign poacher as he had already absconded to his country of origin," Oppah Muchinguri, Zimbabwe's environment, water and climate minister, told a news conference. "We are appealing to the responsible authorities for his extradition to Zimbabwe so that he be made accountable."
On Tuesday, American hunter Walter James Palmer issued a statement saying he relied on his guides to ensure the hunt was legal. Two Zimbabweans — a professional hunter and a farm owner — have been arrested in the killing of the lion known as Cecil, a killing garnered worldwide condemnation.
"There has been an outcry," Muchinguri said. "Almost 500,000 people are calling for his extradition and we need this support. We want him tried in Zimbabwe because he violated our laws."

She did not explain the 500,000 but there are online petitions demanding Palmer's extradition.
"I have already consulted with the authorities within the police force who are responsible for arresting the criminal. We have certain processes we have to follow," Muchinguri said at the offices of the national parks and wildlife authority. "Police should take the first step to approach the prosecutor general who will approach the Americans. The processes have already started."
The Cabinet minister said both Palmer and professional hunter Theo Bronkhorst violated the Parks and Wildlife Act, which controls the use of bow and arrow hunting. She said Palmer, who reportedly paid $50,000 to hunt the lion, also violated the act through financing an illegal hunt. The landowner violated the act because he "allowed a hunt to be conducted without a quota and necessary permit," Muchinguri said.
There is an extradition treaty between Zimbabwe and the United States. The U.S. Embassy in Zimbabwe said Friday that it does not comment on extradition matters.

Muchinguri accused Palmer of "a well-orchestrated agenda which would tarnish the image of Zimbabwe and further strain the relationship between Zimbabwe and the USA."
Zimbabwe and the United States have often sparred over the years. The southern African country has blamed its economic woes on U.S. sanctions against President Robert Mugabe and close associates, though many commentators have attributed Zimbabwe's economic decline to mismanagement. Washington imposed the penalties on Zimbabwe because of human rights concerns. More broadly, Mugabe has long railed against what he calls Western meddling in Africa, saying it is an extension of the colonial rule of the past.
Palmer is believed to have shot the lion with a bow on July 1 outside Hwange National Park, after it was lured onto private land with a carcass of an animal laid out on a car, Zimbabwean conservationists have said. Some 40 hours later, the wounded cat was tracked down and Palmer allegedly killed it with a gun, they said.
Palmer, 55, is a dentist in the Minneapolis suburb of Bloomington. In a note to his patients, he wrote: "I understand and respect that not everyone shares the same views on hunting." He said he would resume his dental practice "as soon as possible."
The lion's head, which was severed by the hunters, has been confiscated by the wildlife authorities, according to Director of National Parks and Wildlife Edson Chidziya.

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Smooth I don't understand what you're trying to say. If you're saying the PH might be guilty of breaking the law, I agree. But I don't think the hunter himself did anything illegal. I think the ONLY issue here is whether the area had a lion quota or not.

The place they hunted was private and they had permission to hunt there so that was legal.
The proximity to the park is irrelevant, so that was legal.
The baiting or "luring" was legal.
The bow and arrow hunt was legal.
Hunting at night is legal in Africa.
Cecil walked off of the park so he was legal game.

What law did the hunter himself break? It's the PH's responsibility to ensure that the hunt is conducted legally for his client.

The hunter probably had no clue whether or not there was a legal quota set for the area. He just paid for the hunt. People are going crazy about this issue, and say he shouldn't have shot a collared lion. I saw the videos of Cecil, and I saw no collar.

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Chevy I'm not saying the hunter did anything wrong your rite it is up to the ph. That's what I mean the outfitter would only get there hunting rate if he didn't get the animal he was wanting to hunt.So they make sure that you at least get a shot at it and if you bring blood they get paid.And your rite if it was me I would be relying on what the PH said if he said shoot hell I would shoot not knowing what was going on.The outfitters over there have a price list of the animals that they hunt planes game is a set price all others have a higher price depending on the animal you are hunting.I sold a hunt to a doctor he went just for the planes game package but when he returned he had taken a few other that wasn't part of the package.He said he would just ask how much did that just cost me lol he ended up spending a lot of money while he was there.