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    Horsepower & Torque

    The two most misunderstood measures of an engines power. So let's just clear it up.Torque is your engines actual power,horsepower is how fast you get it. Make any sense? Torque is the twisting force or energy placed on the crankshaft and horsepower places a time factor on how fast it makes that power.Most people read up on horsepower that a particular performance engine produces and they in turn want that kind of power.Now remember,torque is what you feel when you put the hammer down when the traffic light goes green.Making modifications that help produce low end torque is what you want for the street.Face it,if you've got and sense at all(and we KNOW you do) your engine is not going to ever see 6000 rpm on the street.



    There are a number of things you can do to increase your engines low end torque and still maintain drivability.All of us (yes,even the guys that don't think they want it!) want more power when we hit the gas. Let's keep in mind that a 500 horse engine is not going to idle very well in traffic and will rarely see 18 mpg! 100,000 miles between tune ups are a thing of the past when you consider anything more than trying to gain the free horsepower that your engine already has.

    Lets think about headers,cat-back exhaust systems and cold air intake systems for a minute.Headers help to balance compression,scavenge exhaust gasses and the engine breathe better.All a plus when thinking about performance and efficiency.Cat-back systems are just that,exhaust systems that are bolted or welded on after the catalytic converter.Almost all cat-back systems reduce back pressure by seriously reducing those tight wrinkle bends in your restrictive factory system helping your engine breathe better.headers and a decent cat-back system can help you gain very noticeable power.More so if there are other performance mods already in place.



    Now cold air intakes are something relatively new to the bolt on performance scene.The performance gain comes from the engine getting a smoother,straighter flow of air into the intake manifold. Now when you introduce fresh "cold" air into the equation then the performance value comes in.The colder the air you have coming into the manifold,the denser the air/fuel charge and the more air/fuel you are going to get into your engine.The air intake system will basically give you better efficiency due to the straighter,smoother air coming in but,chances are it will be a colder denser charge that adds to performance so you may not see much of a fuel economy increase but,you may see a power increase or you could get both,I've seen and heard of both.

    There are various other mods you could do like chip up grades,having your car or trucks computer parameters re-vamped or power programmers.It depends on your budget.If your Canadian like me,then a lot of us either get performance parts and upgrades to our vehicles or presents for the kids at christmas. With the products and parts that are available today,you could actually save yourself a little cash at the pump with some modifications because they increase your engines efficiency,that of course would depend on how you drive.



    Now,one could argue that is these things are modifications work so well ,why doesn't the vehicle come out of the factory like that? Well simple,from my point of view cars and trucks are built on an assembly line and it's easier and cheaper for the factory to do what they do. They also do it the way the do to keep things quiet,now for anyone that loves and respects that throaty rumble it's not what we are looking for. However,the factory does builder your engine with durability and efficiency in mind. And the majority of consumer want their vehicle to be quiet and smooth.

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    Bihili, I doubt it. I think Rick and I have a pretty good understanding of torque and horsepower. Torque is the "twisting" force that en engine puts out (force x lever arm), and Horsepower is the rate at which that twisting force or torque is applied. HP = T x RPM. This is pretty simple in concept and with both of is being mechanical engineers I can't imagine that we debated this, but if there was a debate it may have been centered on something else, or a misunderstanding which has often happened.
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    Maybe we were in a debate. Over this point, not with each other. Maybe us against someone else, or over a different point.

    If you want torque at the wheels with a SBC, just put a 5.38 gear in the car.

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    Yeah, you may be right. I thought Bihili said we were debating each other, but just noticed that's not what he said.

    It's like the ongoing debate about putting a restrictor in your radiator hose to supposedly slow down the coolant to help your radiator work better and keep your engine cooler. LOL! I remember some guy saying he didn't believe the laws of physics anyhow, and laws are made to be broken. I laughed my ass off. And O shut down the thread because it got a little too confrontational for his blood. LMAO!
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    http://wot.motortrend.com/next-gen-l...ch-280365.html

    This is motortends article on it. I'll go find the The one on Scuderia forum they were arguing about street vettes being inferior to the Ferrari and Dodge viper.

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    I guess one of my questions is these motors with 11.5.1 compression and up take pump gas? Then if you do add boost how can they do that without running more octane? Do the computers adjust the timing and fuel? I know with ProChargers they recommend 9.1 and and for Roots style its 7.1.

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    Direct injected Gas engines Like Diesel engines can't pre detonate. Huffing huge amounts of Oxygen creating enormous compression ratios then injecting a lot of Hydrogen is the goal. If compression ratio's are High enough any fuel injected will detonate without spark plugs provided heads seal.. http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sport...01603738_x.htm

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    I don't think it's quite that simple

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    Here is a fine example of torque vs HP. In this case the nova has both lol. I believe it is the 620 hp 650 torque at 4200 version 572 gmpp crate engine with a 5 speed behind it. The 400 hp ls3 Camaro and my 350 hp ls1 cutlass was no match out of the hole. I punch mine in this vid trying to keep up with filming although all you will here is the roar of that 572 as he walks off and leaves us both. It was surprising when we played around at speed above 85 or so my Ls1 would hang with the nova. And the only saving grace I had is my cutlass is built for corners the nova is nose heavy. When we hit the winding back roads on the tour I walked off an left the nova lol...... Although I will never run anything other than an LS or new LT I do miss the bottom end torque of a big block. Put 4 real men in my cutlass and it is a gutless dog ........

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    Horsepower is simply the mathematical product of torque and RPM. Torque is the mathematical product of a force and a lever arm.

    All else equal, the car that has the engine with the most torque across the whole RPM range is going to outrun the car with less torque, at any speed. Notice I said ALL ELSE EQUAL.

    You can give any anecdotal "evidence" you want, but physics still rules.

    Larger displacement engines generally produce more torque than smaller engines, as do supercharged engines. Torque is a function of piston area, pressure on top of the piston, and the length of the crank throw. Increase any of them and you increase torque. Larger displacement engines have larger diameter pistons and/or longer crank throws. Supercharged engines have better volumetric efficiency and therefore higher cylinder pressures at the same CR.

    Torque is rotational force. If you increase torque, you increase the rate at which you can turn a driveshaft. That in turn increases the rate of acceleration of the car.
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